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Re: Rockstar is selling cracked game copies on Steam

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Razor 1911 ! I had completely forgotten about them. They cracked games in the 1990s, and if memory serves well, there was a nice ascii art logo that came with games. Apparently they’ve been active again since 2010, but in my ( much older ) mind, steam has made piracy mostly obsolete. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Razor_1911?wprov=sfti1

As good as Steam might be, it’s still required for the games you purchased to run, and that doesn’t align with some people. You own your games on Steam as much as you own your music on Spotify. So priacy is still alive and well, and a lot of the arguments I see for it is stripping DRM and ownership. I prefer Steam over other platforms because multiplayer is effortless, with a friend or at a LAN party that means means…

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Re: Rockstar is selling cracked game copies on Steam

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

As good as Steam might be, it’s still required for the games you purchased to run, and that doesn’t align with some people. You own your games on Steam as much as you own your music on Spotify. So priacy is still alive and well, and a lot of the arguments I see for it is stripping DRM and ownership. I prefer Steam over other platforms because multiplayer is effortless, with a friend or at a LAN party that means means…

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Re: Rockstar is selling cracked game copies on Steam

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Could we get some more context than this tweet (which doesn't really explain what's going on)?

The game shown here, Midnight Club II, required the CD to be in the drive to play it. With the advent of Steam and companies releasing older games on Steam, they needed a way to bypass that check. Bypassing a CD (commonly called No-CD) was a very common crack/DRM bypass back in the day. Rockstar didn't want to bring up old source code and find someone who understood it enough to remove the check, so instead they just…

Are we sure they didn't just lose the source code entirely?

Re: Rockstar is selling cracked game copies on Steam

#64

Why is this hex dump being used as a verification rather than just showing the two (supposedly the same) hashes of the entire executable themselves? Should be a quick 20 minute job for whoever call themselves "journalists" today. I suppose it's possible for that particular string to get into the binary by some other means. Maybe failed anti-circumvention that checks for known strings in its own directory or something…

First time I hear someone suggest that hashes might be a superior form of journalism. The cracking group signature is a smoking gun. Hashes would only show that the steam binary isn't bit-wise identical with the original release, which any solution to "steam release can't require a CD check" would imply.

(well, "smoking gun" in quotes, because I don't really see Rockstar doing anything wrong here. Would it have been better if they had zeroed out that string?)

Re: Rockstar is selling cracked game copies on Steam

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The game shown here, Midnight Club II, required the CD to be in the drive to play it. With the advent of Steam and companies releasing older games on Steam, they needed a way to bypass that check. Bypassing a CD (commonly called No-CD) was a very common crack/DRM bypass back in the day. Rockstar didn't want to bring up old source code and find someone who understood it enough to remove the check, so instead they just…

Sounds like Razor could sue Rockstar for copyright infringement. That would be hilarious.

They could. They would lose, though

Re: Rockstar is selling cracked game copies on Steam

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The game shown here, Midnight Club II, required the CD to be in the drive to play it. With the advent of Steam and companies releasing older games on Steam, they needed a way to bypass that check. Bypassing a CD (commonly called No-CD) was a very common crack/DRM bypass back in the day. Rockstar didn't want to bring up old source code and find someone who understood it enough to remove the check, so instead they just…

Are we sure they didn't just lose the source code entirely?

Probably unbuildable anyways without a lot of effort if you can't recreate the workstation that was building it.

Re: Rockstar is selling cracked game copies on Steam

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Razor1911 was the cracking group in this particular case.

Heh. I recall their demos on the Amiga.

Probably Norway's most long-lived and industrious software export success. Founded in 1985.

Re: Rockstar is selling cracked game copies on Steam

#69

Why is this hex dump being used as a verification rather than just showing the two (supposedly the same) hashes of the entire executable themselves? Should be a quick 20 minute job for whoever call themselves "journalists" today. I suppose it's possible for that particular string to get into the binary by some other means. Maybe failed anti-circumvention that checks for known strings in its own directory or something…

why not use the hex dump, it says the name of the cracking group, that's more easily verifiable than comparing hashes to files you might not have

Re: Rockstar is selling cracked game copies on Steam

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The game shown here, Midnight Club II, required the CD to be in the drive to play it. With the advent of Steam and companies releasing older games on Steam, they needed a way to bypass that check. Bypassing a CD (commonly called No-CD) was a very common crack/DRM bypass back in the day. Rockstar didn't want to bring up old source code and find someone who understood it enough to remove the check, so instead they just…

That's hilarious. I wonder what the license model is for the crack that they used.

If there's not a name for it yet, can we call it "All's Fair in Love and Warez?"
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