VPNs wont be outlawed. But they will be KYC and backdoored encryption - so like an typical internet service provider. VPNs are used all the time in the cloud for legitimate reasons so outlawing is impractical (like outlawing a kitchen knife)
The boiling frog of digital freedom
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Re: The boiling frog of digital freedom
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#63Earlier quoted context omitted.
The banking system does not care. The banks don't need your money.
That same logic says you should not vote either. If even some 10-20% of IT professionals (with salaries to match) up and leave for a less shit bank, trust me, they will care.
You assume there is a “less shit bank”. Not everywhere is like the USA with a wide choice of banks. In some countries the banking landscape has, through mergers, become limited to just a few choices, and they all require SafetyNet attestation for their phone apps.
Re: The boiling frog of digital freedom
#64There is one interesting force acting against that though (or it would probably already have happened). It is the simple fact that most people that are competent enough to actually implement these things also understand the problems with doing so. For the most part anyway. If we could just agree to not do that... well, what are "they" going to do? And of course: we owe it to the web to use Firefox. The Chrome clones…
What about Safari too?
It seems like Apple is intentionally dragging its feet in implementing new web standards in Safari (webusb, webgpu, webmidi, bluetooth, filesystem, etc) in order to keep native apps relevant (which is a big cash cow for Apple).
Re: The boiling frog of digital freedom
#65Earlier quoted context omitted.
The banking system does not care. The banks don't need your money.
That same logic says you should not vote either. If even some 10-20% of IT professionals (with salaries to match) up and leave for a less shit bank, trust me, they will care.
"voting makes no difference" is one of those rules which apply really well to the individual, but if you apply them to a larger group of people, they become wrong.
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Yeah, chrome and google in general are the first in line to cause problems. There are many browsers, many apps, many everything... you can switch whenever... but the DRM and attestation pushes with browsers (and mobile devices) means, that sure, you can use a different browser, but your bank, your streaming service, your newssite might not work unless you're using chrome with drm and hardware attestation. This is alr…
Then switch from these services while they are still only a few. Revenue is a language they understand. I never understood why anyone would even want a banking app though; there is nothing int can do that a website can't. The browser war can at least still be won or settled; mainstream apps are a lost cause outside the legal arena. Edit: and by switching i don't mean going to some tinfoil grayweb nonsense. Go to thei…
> I never understood why anyone would even want a banking app though; there is nothing int can do that a website can't.
Some banks are phasing out code cards or SMS verification for 2FA, and the only way to get the second factor for logging into the online banking website on your computer, is to use the bank’s app on your phone.
Re: The boiling frog of digital freedom
#67We need a new philosophical movement for computer technology. The Stallman movement failed because it was not practical for business applications. At the end of the day, coders & hardware manufacturers need to eat just like accountants, plumbers and doctors. Technology can't rely 100% on altruism. What we need is something close to the Ethical standards of the Stallman movement, but also compatable with business owne…
> The Stallman movement failed The stuff you read on hn... Seriously, you think it failed? I think it succeeded wildly beyond anything anybody imagined at the time, to the point that very large entities threw everything and the kitchensink at it to try to make it fail. Which exposed them for the criminals they were. We don't need anything that is more compatible with 'business owners' than what we've got. What we nee…
Businesses don't do free. It is not what they exist for: The 'Stallman movement' isn't compatible with the the tech-company, the employed software-engineer, etc.
I think what the OP is getting at is that the for-profit tech industry needs something akin to the Hippocratic Oath [1]. As software engineers swearing to a set of 'do no harm' ethical codes could well be a first step to becoming a recognised professional.
I can certainly see a future with a framework like that. If a doctor does something unethical it could affect the life of a few people. If a programmer does it, it could affect the lives of billions - it's not a hard sell that something like an ethical code is probably well overdue.
Re: The boiling frog of digital freedom
#68The freedom is already dead when something goes from a hobby to an industry and to the most important strategy.
Re: The boiling frog of digital freedom
#69Earlier quoted context omitted.
The banking system does not care. The banks don't need your money.
That same logic says you should not vote either. If even some 10-20% of IT professionals (with salaries to match) up and leave for a less shit bank, trust me, they will care.
> That same logic says you should not vote either.
Indeed.
> If even some 10-20% of IT professionals (with salaries to match) up and leave for a less shit bank, trust me, they will care.
That's an impossible number of people to coordinate on something like this, and even if, I doubt banks would care. There exist no less shit banks, and retail is a rounding error anyway.
Banks aren't shit because of incompetence or a not-give-a-damb attitude. They're shit because it makes them more money, both directly and by reducing risks.
Re: The boiling frog of digital freedom
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Then switch from these services while they are still only a few. Revenue is a language they understand. I never understood why anyone would even want a banking app though; there is nothing int can do that a website can't. The browser war can at least still be won or settled; mainstream apps are a lost cause outside the legal arena. Edit: and by switching i don't mean going to some tinfoil grayweb nonsense. Go to thei…
I did, i use firefox for example, but with mobile phones, what's the alternative? Apple and its walled garden? And when filing my taxes only works via chrome, how do i switch countries easily? Move because of a browser limitation and leave everything behind?
Not that it is for everyone; but i have used Sailfish OS for just about 10 years, and it has been quite fine.
Any country that isn't a total sh*tshow will have accessibility regulations around that. Let the accessibility folks fight for you.