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A History of the Amen Break: From the Winstons to Futurama and Om Unit

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Re: A History of the Amen Break: From the Winstons to Futurama and Om Unit

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Post by _glass »

dharma1 wrote: post #51

Nice to wake up to a breakbeat thread on HN! I grew up making/listening to funk, hiphop and drum and bass. Crate digging for breaks in old record stores was fun - that was a thing that got started by hip hop DJs/producers state side and was such a buzz to find a few bars of naked drums on a record. I have hundreds of breaks from crate digging back in the day, there’s a lot you can learn about production by dissecting…

Well, Coleman (who played the drums) died homeless and broke. So it's not just the bad record industry, unfortunately.

Re: A History of the Amen Break: From the Winstons to Futurama and Om Unit

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Post by specialist »

larodi wrote: post #41

Somehow I feel is important to note that the Amen Break, being super-influential to the whole genre of jungle/jungle-tek is not so important for drum and bass, contrary to some statements here. I also doubt how important it was to hiphop in general. The so called 'jungle music' is defined by the amen - it is not jungle unless it has it. Period. This Shy FX track cited in the article is "Original" because of the frant…

Gratitude. Distinguishing jungle vs dnb is fascinating.

I would love an encyclopedia of musical genres. With examples. Just to feed my curiosity.

Doo-Wop vs Be-Bop, Rock & Roll vs Rock, Swing vs Jazz, Hornpipe vs reel.

Re: A History of the Amen Break: From the Winstons to Futurama and Om Unit

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Post by dharma1 »

_glass wrote: post #61
dharma1 wrote: post #51

Nice to wake up to a breakbeat thread on HN! I grew up making/listening to funk, hiphop and drum and bass. Crate digging for breaks in old record stores was fun - that was a thing that got started by hip hop DJs/producers state side and was such a buzz to find a few bars of naked drums on a record. I have hundreds of breaks from crate digging back in the day, there’s a lot you can learn about production by dissecting…

Well, Coleman (who played the drums) died homeless and broke. So it's not just the bad record industry, unfortunately.

that's another broken part of publishing revenue - many musicians (esp drummers) rarely get a cut of royalties unless they are put down as one of the writers

Re: A History of the Amen Break: From the Winstons to Futurama and Om Unit

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Post by _glass »

dharma1 wrote: post #63
_glass wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, Coleman (who played the drums) died homeless and broke. So it's not just the bad record industry, unfortunately.

that's another broken part of publishing revenue - many musicians (esp drummers) rarely get a cut of royalties unless they are put down as one of the writers

yeah, I think it is a pity, especially considering that most likely the drummer innovated the break.

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Post by morbicer »

specialist wrote: post #62
larodi wrote: post #41

Somehow I feel is important to note that the Amen Break, being super-influential to the whole genre of jungle/jungle-tek is not so important for drum and bass, contrary to some statements here. I also doubt how important it was to hiphop in general. The so called 'jungle music' is defined by the amen - it is not jungle unless it has it. Period. This Shy FX track cited in the article is "Original" because of the frant…

Gratitude. Distinguishing jungle vs dnb is fascinating. I would love an encyclopedia of musical genres. With examples. Just to feed my curiosity. Doo-Wop vs Be-Bop, Rock & Roll vs Rock, Swing vs Jazz, Hornpipe vs reel.

For electronic music, Ishkur's guide is exactly what you're looking for http://music.ishkur.com/?query=RaggaJungle

Not so cool but with more genres than electronic https://everynoise.com/

Re: A History of the Amen Break: From the Winstons to Futurama and Om Unit

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Post by tessierashpool »

nvm0n2 wrote: post #56
tessierashpool wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think GLR was the only label for a very long time that did that stuff though. Partisan. 720 Degrees. Metalheadz, as mentioned in the comment you’re responding to. Moving Shadow. Renegade. Nu-Directions. Nexus. I don't think there was any easy way to find out about liquid in those days for someone not deeply into the scene. Goldie literally got into the Top 40 in the UK in 1995 with “Inner City Life,” a track we wou…

Never heard of those (except I think Nu Directions), so I hereby bow to your superior knowledge of 90s dnb! > The term wasn’t in use at the time It seems fair to say that if the terminology wasn't stable at that time then it was really the very start of that trend and I can be forgiving for missing a track that charted when I was 10 years old :)

fair enough! you’re also not wrong that it’s had a resurgence.

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Post by pizza »

tessierashpool wrote: post #48
nvm0n2 wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think GLR was the only label for a very long time that did that stuff though. I remember listening to DNB stations in the 90s and they were all very dark compared to today, I don't think there was any easy way to find out about liquid in those days for someone not deeply into the scene. I think that didn't change much until Fabio and Grooverider got their late night show on Radio 1 and wanted to make dnb more acces…

I think GLR was the only label for a very long time that did that stuff though. Partisan. 720 Degrees. Metalheadz, as mentioned in the comment you’re responding to. Moving Shadow. Renegade. Nu-Directions. Nexus. I don't think there was any easy way to find out about liquid in those days for someone not deeply into the scene. Goldie literally got into the Top 40 in the UK in 1995 with “Inner City Life,” a track we wou…

Will just mention that Adam F's Circles is experiencing somewhat of a revival at the moment, as popular artist PinkPantheress incorporates it quite extensively in her 2021 hit 'Break It Off' - something like over 221 M plays on spotify rn!

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Post by BearhatBeer »

_glass wrote: post #64
dharma1 wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

that's another broken part of publishing revenue - many musicians (esp drummers) rarely get a cut of royalties unless they are put down as one of the writers

yeah, I think it is a pity, especially considering that most likely the drummer innovated the break.

The vocal part of the break is much more well known than the actual rhythm.

Re: A History of the Amen Break: From the Winstons to Futurama and Om Unit

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Post by larodi »

avyeed_desa wrote: post #45
larodi wrote: post #41

Somehow I feel is important to note that the Amen Break, being super-influential to the whole genre of jungle/jungle-tek is not so important for drum and bass, contrary to some statements here. I also doubt how important it was to hiphop in general. The so called 'jungle music' is defined by the amen - it is not jungle unless it has it. Period. This Shy FX track cited in the article is "Original" because of the frant…

> The so called 'jungle music' is defined by the amen - it is not jungle unless it has it. Period. This is definitely NOT TRUE! Plenty of jungle has no amens in it: DJ Hype - Roll Da Beats ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNo9NR3F7KA ) DJ Dextrous (Da Kings Of The Jungle) - Time To Move ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhXUEetPY6E ) Tom & Jerry - Maximum Style ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVukhJ1acSc ) Dillinj…

I stand corrected. The Jungle is not only about amen, but then it is the only genre so much infused with the amen. You are right that people back in the day sampled various afro/funk stuff to get nice loops. But from what I've heard (I can name man y more than these here in your post), the most extreme jungle examples actually have some amen in it.

So my point is - the musical genre most defined by amen is jungle music, and how an amen can be used/abused was shown through jungle. hope this works for u.

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