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Farewell EC2-Classic, it’s been swell

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Re: Farewell EC2-Classic, it’s been swell

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Post by skizm »

AaronM wrote: post #56
skizm wrote: post #40

I haven't spun up anything in the cloud in a while. I used to dabble in both AWS and Digital Ocean. Usually went with DO because it seemed simpler and my projects were super small (and they had a lot of relevant guides to spinning up X, Y, and Z service on their systems). What is the difference between EC2-classic and whatever is available today? Are you still able to just get a linux box with a public IP address?

You have to create at minimum a vpc, internet gateway and at least one subnet/route table pointing to the igw

Oh man, I don't know any of these concepts (rather I've heard of all of them, but don't know how they apply in practice). I'm probably not the target customer for AWS any more haha. Been so long since I did anything web related. Time to find some networking for dummies youtube channels I guess.

Re: Farewell EC2-Classic, it’s been swell

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Post by Bluecobra »

brianshaler wrote: post #55

Off topic, but I'm confused about the IPv4 notation in this quote: > When we launched EC2 in 2006, it was one giant network of 10.2.0.0/8. In my understanding, /8 means the first octet would be fixed (10.0.0.0-10.255.255.255) and I'm having trouble understanding the significance of the 2 here. If the 2 is significant, wouldn't you write it as /16? Given the source and my confidence on this notation, I feel like there…

I think it must be a typo. because 10.2.0.0/8 is not a valid subnet mask. The largest subnet you can make starting with 10.2.0.0 is 10.2.0.0/15.

Re: Farewell EC2-Classic, it’s been swell

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Post by smileybarry »

brianshaler wrote: post #55

Off topic, but I'm confused about the IPv4 notation in this quote: > When we launched EC2 in 2006, it was one giant network of 10.2.0.0/8. In my understanding, /8 means the first octet would be fixed (10.0.0.0-10.255.255.255) and I'm having trouble understanding the significance of the 2 here. If the 2 is significant, wouldn't you write it as /16? Given the source and my confidence on this notation, I feel like there…

I’m guessing it’s a typo, but maybe it was a 10.0.0.0-10.255.255.255 subnet with EC2-Classic machines allocating purely from 10.2.0.0-10.2.255.255, and 10.x.0.0-10.x.255.255 was allocated for other services?

Re: Farewell EC2-Classic, it’s been swell

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Post by thargor90 »

brianshaler wrote: post #55

Off topic, but I'm confused about the IPv4 notation in this quote: > When we launched EC2 in 2006, it was one giant network of 10.2.0.0/8. In my understanding, /8 means the first octet would be fixed (10.0.0.0-10.255.255.255) and I'm having trouble understanding the significance of the 2 here. If the 2 is significant, wouldn't you write it as /16? Given the source and my confidence on this notation, I feel like there…

You are right. The /8 is 10.0.0.0/8.

I guess it's not a typo, but a weird way to write 10.0.0.0/8 excluding 10.1.0.0/16 .

Re: Farewell EC2-Classic, it’s been swell

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Post by HeckFeck »

ok123456 wrote: post #29
gjvc wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you explain "minimaxed" in this context, please?

Not bad enough to be outright spam with just enough relevance to be shown in the top ten search results. Try finding product reviews, or product comparison articles. It will likely be LLM garbage that doesn't say anything, but uses the right keywords and enough coherency to be indexed.

It's obvious LLM tripe when you click into the article and it begins with several worthless paragraphs describing why someone would be interested in the topic and how things can sometimes go wrong...

Yes, I already knew that. That's why I'm here.

It might be an attempt to copy customer service 'empathy' but it has the opposite effect: angering me because my time is wasted with this crap, and I have to scroll several screens to find what I need.

Re: Farewell EC2-Classic, it’s been swell

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Post by mlyle »

thargor90 wrote: post #64
brianshaler wrote: post #55

Off topic, but I'm confused about the IPv4 notation in this quote: > When we launched EC2 in 2006, it was one giant network of 10.2.0.0/8. In my understanding, /8 means the first octet would be fixed (10.0.0.0-10.255.255.255) and I'm having trouble understanding the significance of the 2 here. If the 2 is significant, wouldn't you write it as /16? Given the source and my confidence on this notation, I feel like there…

You are right. The /8 is 10.0.0.0/8. I guess it's not a typo, but a weird way to write 10.0.0.0/8 excluding 10.1.0.0/16 .

It doesn't exclude 10.1.0.0/16, or any of the rest of 10/8.

Re: Farewell EC2-Classic, it’s been swell

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Post by xnx »

Kuinox wrote: post #17
sneak wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I miss Google Search being good and useful and not covered in intrusive ads much more than I miss something easily replaced with local software or Feedly. Almost everything Google does outside of GCP, Maps, Search, and YouTube could evaporate for all I care. Google's problem is not that they cancel stuff, it's the everpresent need to grow revenue and embed annoying ads into more and more of everyone's daily lives. I'…

I started to use Kagi instead of google search. Since, it's difficult to get back on google, the results are so much worse.

What's an example search that's better on Kagi?

Re: Farewell EC2-Classic, it’s been swell

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Post by chrisweekly »

HeckFeck wrote: post #65
ok123456 wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not bad enough to be outright spam with just enough relevance to be shown in the top ten search results. Try finding product reviews, or product comparison articles. It will likely be LLM garbage that doesn't say anything, but uses the right keywords and enough coherency to be indexed.

It's obvious LLM tripe when you click into the article and it begins with several worthless paragraphs describing why someone would be interested in the topic and how things can sometimes go wrong... Yes, I already knew that. That's why I'm here. It might be an attempt to copy customer service 'empathy' but it has the opposite effect: angering me because my time is wasted with this crap, and I have to scroll several…

Tangent: your use of the word "tripe" here is spot-on.

The secondary definition (nonsense) works, but I'm talking about the apt metaphor of its primary definition: offal that's technically edible but comes from low-quality parts of the digestive system which are literally filled with feces.

LLM-generated SEO spam should always be called "tripe".

Re: Farewell EC2-Classic, it’s been swell

#69

Post by wombat-man »

voytec wrote: post #43
flir wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google Reader. Never forget.

I see Reader as Google's attack on RSS' popularity. The product was killed off when its job was accomplished.

I think it just was never going to get the mass adoption it needed to justify the upkeep.

Re: Farewell EC2-Classic, it’s been swell

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Post by thesuperbigfrog »

gjvc wrote: post #23
Galanwe wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not really the ads that killed Google search for me. it's more the over agressive minmaxed SEO that makes most of results garbage.

Can you explain "minimaxed" in this context, please?

Not OP.

I believe "minimaxed" in this context refers to optimizing profits while trying to keep search results useful to users.

The term comes from game theory where a player tries to maximize their gains while minimizing their losses:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minimax

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