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The end of cool small cars

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Re: The end of cool small cars

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I'm in the market for my next car (new or used), and I'd prefer something small like the fit/jazz. But I have 3 kids instead of 2, which seems like my only options from the last decade are MPVs or SUVs. I'd love to be wrong, though.

The back bench of my Jazz easily fits three kids (and had three seatbelts) comfortably for normal trips.

Good to know, thanks! I'll check it out

Re: The end of cool small cars

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Very defensive reply. Many people use Range Rovers to simply drop their kids off at school, to drive to work, or to transport groceries. If you're really for people leading active lifestyles, maybe those such people should get their kid to walk to school.

and you probably use an extremely overpowered device for checking your email, but perhaps you also use it to do other things?

Not really sure where you're going with this line of thought. I stand by my point.

Many people do purely use these cars for no purpose besides them being a status symbol, or to be more secure on the road (which could be suggestive of a non-confident or bad driver).

The roads are getting more dangerous and the climate is taking a bigger hit as a result of these cars being on the road. I'm sure once in a while they're useful for transporting things, but that point fails to come across when the bulk of the time that isn't the case, and it's just one person in an otherwise empty SUV driving to work.

Re: The end of cool small cars

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post #62

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and you probably use an extremely overpowered device for checking your email, but perhaps you also use it to do other things?

Not really sure where you're going with this line of thought. I stand by my point. Many people do purely use these cars for no purpose besides them being a status symbol, or to be more secure on the road (which could be suggestive of a non-confident or bad driver). The roads are getting more dangerous and the climate is taking a bigger hit as a result of these cars being on the road. I'm sure once in a while they're…

> Many people do purely use these cars for no purpose besides them being a status symbol, or to be more secure on the road (which could be suggestive of a non-confident or bad driver).

In the same way me configuring which interfaces to bind to also could be suggestive of a non confident or bad firewall configuration ability.

And sure, most of the time the car gets used for other purposes, because people have to WORK atleast 5 days a week, and government policies (amongst cost of actual car ofc) makes it unfavorable to have a big car for when you need that, and a small car for daily commute.

Most of the time you dont need a big computer, so I now demand, and Demand the government legislates it, that ANY computing purpose you do that could be served with a sub 2W arm device, be done so. Leave those filthy amds and intels to those who run 24/7 workloads. The climate commands you!

Re: The end of cool small cars

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I've noticed a large increase in what I call "idiot cars" in Denmark too, these giant monstrosities that seem impractical in every way except for driving through smaller cars and making sure the driver survives whatever incompetence lead them to buy it in the first place. I feel it might be time to legislate this, there are perfectly legitimate reasons to drive a very large car, like, you live 100 miles from the near…

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Those people should get station wagons or mpv's which generally have much more room for those sorts of things.

Re: The end of cool small cars

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There's actually a new class of cars that doesn't go by the name: L7e. L7e is the EU's name for light electric cars. 90 km/h top speed, 200 km range. Cheap. While small "cars" might disappear, I think the L7e class will see a lot of improvements.

I didn't know about this, looks pretty neat.

Unfortunately, 90 km/h top speed is a hard sell here in Germany, since that means that you will get in other people's way when driving on federal roads or the Autobahn, provoking people into dangerous overtaking manoeuvres.

In addition to cars having become noticeably larger in the last years, people's driving styles has (imo) become more aggressive also.

Re: The end of cool small cars

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Instead of punishing the middle class by slapping ulez on them, it would be far more effective and fair for the london mayor to offer free school buses like they do in some parts of America.

Children under 16 already get free travel on buses and trams in London, though they have to pay discounted fares on the tube and they'll need a photocard if they are 11 or over.

I'm aware of that having owned one and journeyed by bus to school every day. I also see vast amounts of traffic near schools during term times. So from personal observations and experience that's not nearly enough.

Re: The end of cool small cars

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Ughhhhh -- yes, I constantly dream of a pickup truck on a car-size chassis, and often mentally hack off the back of cars on my jogs to imagine what they'd look like as trucks (my version of imagining girls naked ;-))

* The Auzzies had an old version of this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ute_(vehicle)

* There's an awesome Tesla pickup truck mod that I'd buy long before the Cybertruck: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R35gWBtLCYg

Re: The end of cool small cars

#68
post #59

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Very defensive reply. Many people use Range Rovers to simply drop their kids off at school, to drive to work, or to transport groceries. If you're really for people leading active lifestyles, maybe those such people should get their kid to walk to school.

and you probably use an extremely overpowered device for checking your email, but perhaps you also use it to do other things?

My extremely overpowered device is literally half the size (both weight and depth) of what I had a few years ago.

Re: The end of cool small cars

#69
As for the "why": I'd love to learn about all of the historical and regulatory incentives here. From what I've managed to cobble together, this is partly due to CAFE standards[1], partly due to Section 179 of the US tax code[2], and possibly(??) due to contractor demand[3].

[1]: In 2006, the NHTSA adopted a "footprint" approach to CAFE standards, where fuel efficiency standards are set based on the vehicle's wheelbase multiplied by its average track width. I haven't dug into why this is the case, but people seem to agree that this results in less stringent fuel economy targets for larger-sized vehicles. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporate_average_fuel_economy

[2] A key piece of U.S. tax code, Section 179 allows businesses to deduct the full purchase price of qualifying equipment up to $1M(!) For trucks, the vehicle must have a Gross Vehicle Weight Rating (GVWR) over 6000 pounds to qualify for the Section 179 deduction. This incentivizes businesses to purchase larger, heavier trucks. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Section_179_depreciation_deduc...

[3] A friend told me (citation needed!) that the ability for a truck bed to carry 4x8-foot drywall sheets is often advertised as a selling point (is this true?). I suspect a lot of this is just the US market lusting after "bigger is better", but I'd love to hear anything others know about this.

Anyone have details they could add to this?

Re: The end of cool small cars

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There's actually a new class of cars that doesn't go by the name: L7e. L7e is the EU's name for light electric cars. 90 km/h top speed, 200 km range. Cheap. While small "cars" might disappear, I think the L7e class will see a lot of improvements.

This still leaved the gap for small cars you can cram 4 people inside + some luggage unfilled. Also, are manufacturers taking L7e vehicles seriously, or are they styling them like toys still? Early EVs suffered form car companies deliberately making them look non-serious.

I think the Renault Twizy is a great example where it was made too much of a toy - and I pretty much stopped following the developments in the L7e space with that. But now a lot of Chinese companies seem to sell vehicles that are actually useful - mostly in the last-mile delivery space.

This one convinced me that you can build useful vehicles: https://www.ari-motors.com

Essentially, L7e could perhaps be the Kei car of Europe?

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