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Re: Phone.wtf

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Post by PrimeMcFly »

3np wrote: post #48
bbarn wrote: post #28

This starts off with "I chose..." and ends with "there should be a mandate" It's very easy for people who wear pants to live a life where their phone is never switched off of vibrate mode and lives in their pocket. They will never need a noisy phone, and this is how I life my life. My wife has pockets on about 10% of her clothes, and so typically her phone is in a purse, or on the table next to her. She will not noti…

Phone ringing is already banned in some places, like public transport in some countries. I guess OPs argument is to expand this to more public areas and that your wife wouldn't pick up phone calls there in the first place. If she wants to notice her text notifications when e.g. on the train or in the mall, she'd have to pick the phone out of her bag.

> Phone ringing is already banned in some places, like public transport in some countries.

That seems insane. What countries?

Conversations I get, but ringing?

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Post by whiskeytuesday »

chkaloon wrote: post #56
bbarn wrote: post #28

This starts off with "I chose..." and ends with "there should be a mandate" It's very easy for people who wear pants to live a life where their phone is never switched off of vibrate mode and lives in their pocket. They will never need a noisy phone, and this is how I life my life. My wife has pockets on about 10% of her clothes, and so typically her phone is in a purse, or on the table next to her. She will not noti…

Get a smartwatch and that can vibrate.

No.

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Post by jeanofthedead »

chkaloon wrote: post #56
bbarn wrote: post #28

This starts off with "I chose..." and ends with "there should be a mandate" It's very easy for people who wear pants to live a life where their phone is never switched off of vibrate mode and lives in their pocket. They will never need a noisy phone, and this is how I life my life. My wife has pockets on about 10% of her clothes, and so typically her phone is in a purse, or on the table next to her. She will not noti…

Get a smartwatch and that can vibrate.

Mhmm. Talking about pockets when smartwatches exist for this exact reason is so archaic.

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Post by jeanofthedead »

cfeduke wrote: post #57
0xffff2 wrote: post #4

Is this a really problem? It's vanishingly rare in my experience to here a phone ring these days. Rude people intentionally playing music or other media without headphones is a much larger but still rare phenomenon.

I practice this - DND, no interruptions, etc. - all of the time, with only my wife able to get through via a direct phone call for an emergency. However, when my friends gather for gaming every Friday night at our club - they do not practice this. It is non-stop interruption, chimes from phones, and very long sounds for a text message. I don't know if its a problem but awareness can't hurt.

Have everyone set their phone in a big bowl by the door!

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Post by lucb1e »

donatj wrote: post #26

> No. Nothing is an urgency. False. There needs to be a break through "this is actually an emergency" way to get through silent mode. My wife keeps her phone silent at all times and on two separate occasions I have had actual emergencies and been unable to reach her. (A car crash where my car was totaled and a separate medical emergency) It's actually infuriating.

Similar for my partner, though it was never a real emergency but rather things like asking what I should bring for dinner (they're particular about food): things that are useful for them as well as for me. I always had to wait for them to randomly look at their phone, which could be any time because nothing ever made any buzz or noise. (Conversely, they did call me a few times during what were actual emergencies for them, such as a car crash.) We had a conversation and they configured their phone differently ~3 years ago.

I asked them just now (look, OP, I talked to someone synchronously!) and they say it's "fine" - me: "just fine?" - them: "no it's good actually" and they'd set it up again if they had to re-make the choice. I am conscious of when I invoke the power, as with everyone, but still call somewhat regularly, so their positive rating is a good sign I suppose.

Have you brought this up with your partner?

Either way, yeah, this sort of thing is something you talk about only after you identify there is a problem. Ideally we'd have good defaults, and while I disagree with OP on their proposal for new defaults, their opinion is clearly borne from frustration. Perhaps phones should, when a contact calls you once while on silent, create a silent notification that asks "Allow to ring phone when calling twice within one minute?" with as buttons [No] [Buzz] and [Ring]

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Post by jeanofthedead »

PrivateButts wrote: post #39

This has been a constant bit of friction between my wife and I. To me, the norms are: - Unscheduled calls are if it's an emergency or something that you need an answer to right now - Calling twice in a row is an emergency - SMS if it's important but not urgent - Discord chat if it's just casual messaging or pics This is how my family and everyone else I know communicate, but my wife. My wife will call me repeatedly t…

Do you both use iPhones? FaceTime Audio has helped me and my family with regard to crappy audio fidelity. I struggle with “normal” phone calls now, lol.

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Post by TheHappyOddish »

tomrod wrote: post #49
rolodato wrote: post #13

One disgusting trend I see with many phone apps is notification spam with no fine-grained option to disable them without potentially disabling transactional notifications. Ride-sharing and delivery apps are particularly annoying for this. I remember the time when phone OSes did not have notification categories but it’s not a useful feature if app developers don’t implement them.

Looking at you, Uber, and my once-a-month ride somehow equating to 10 UberEats notices per day. Marketers -- you're on notice.

I disabled notifications for Uber years ago for ths, the first time I got a marketing push. It's your phone, and they can tell if you've disabled push. Tell them you're not ok with it.

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Post by happytoexplain »

PrivateButts wrote: post #39

This has been a constant bit of friction between my wife and I. To me, the norms are: - Unscheduled calls are if it's an emergency or something that you need an answer to right now - Calling twice in a row is an emergency - SMS if it's important but not urgent - Discord chat if it's just casual messaging or pics This is how my family and everyone else I know communicate, but my wife. My wife will call me repeatedly t…

For most people, it's a fool's errand to try to change their feelings about communication channels. Some people strongly prefer voice for casual communication, and trying to change those people is like trying to convince a person that painting is better than singing. They're just fundamentally different things: Technically, subjectively, emotionally.

Of course this cuts both ways, and that creates conflict.

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Post by lucb1e »

PrimeMcFly wrote: post #61
3np wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Phone ringing is already banned in some places, like public transport in some countries. I guess OPs argument is to expand this to more public areas and that your wife wouldn't pick up phone calls there in the first place. If she wants to notice her text notifications when e.g. on the train or in the mall, she'd have to pick the phone out of her bag.

> Phone ringing is already banned in some places, like public transport in some countries. That seems insane. What countries? Conversations I get, but ringing?

I can imagine it being against the rules, such as in a silent compartment on Dutch/German trains (which is imo nearly the same as law because it's a subsidised public service), and perhaps some religious state has it codified that churches are not to be disturbed or whatever, but that doesn't mean it gets enforced if you're clearly flustered, sorry, and decline the call immediately and it doesn't keep happening to the same person.

So even if you get an answer to "where in the world", I'd like to add "but does that get actively enforced at all?"

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