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Re: Learn as you search (and browse) using generative AI

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Post by jorgesborges »

tsunamifury wrote: post #52
add-sub-mul-div wrote: post #15

Hard pass. I don't want Google, or even a trustworthy neutral party, to decide my view of the world. (Compromised as it may be already.) We're all unique and unpredictable. In a given article, a random sentence or point considered throwaway by most people and algorithms could turn out to be meaningful to me. I've been trained not to even trust the basic facts they pull of out content like movie showtimes or whatever.…

It’s summarizing. That is by its very nature a reduction of an article to certain bias elements. It’s not rocket science or some evil magic. Jeeze you’d think HackerNews never used anything that wasn’t a home brew open source libertarian approved product if you believed the comments here.

Not to mention the clear preference here for comments that summarize an article to avoid actually reading it. Or poison the well sufficiently for a person to say “oh well I already know what it says”.

Re: Learn as you search (and browse) using generative AI

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Post by jraph »

hamasho wrote: post #41
jraph wrote: post #8

Privacy aside if it's done server side, I think this crosses another dangerous line. With this, Google controls how content you read is summarized, they could introduce biases, intentionally or not, and I'm not sure we should trust such an actor for this.

It may be summarized to what they want, but it can be what I want too. All YouTube recommendations are already what I want to see. Videos from creators who share my world view, criticizing what I hate, and praising what I've already liked. If this Chrome's new feature is also personalized in this manner, I can read articles against my view and still get only what I want. My world view will become increasingly polariz…

Well, I'm not quite at ease with trusting a third party to try to guess my (ever changing?) world view.

How do you know it works well? How do you know it misses nothing? How do you know it's not subtly biased (intentionally or not) in a way you would not notice, or you would think it's good enough?

> I can read articles against my view and still get only what I want. My world view will become increasingly polarized, and it's already quite biased.

Yes, of course we all do, but it's another thing to involve a third party in this process.

Re: Learn as you search (and browse) using generative AI

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Post by GhostWhisperer »

jraph wrote: post #8

Privacy aside if it's done server side, I think this crosses another dangerous line. With this, Google controls how content you read is summarized, they could introduce biases, intentionally or not, and I'm not sure we should trust such an actor for this.

it's ok, they already read your email

Re: Learn as you search (and browse) using generative AI

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Post by andsoitis »

eastbound wrote: post #12
jraph wrote: post #8

Privacy aside if it's done server side, I think this crosses another dangerous line. With this, Google controls how content you read is summarized, they could introduce biases, intentionally or not, and I'm not sure we should trust such an actor for this.

They already show heavily curated content, with a conscious and intentional bias into presenting, for example, groups in a light that doesn’t match reality. You won’t find info about any merely “controversial” idea on Google, it’s all censored, it’s all disinformation already. Try even finding memes, you generally won’t find them. Try finding info that doesn’t paint some politicians in a good light, you won’t find it…

What’s a good example that I can Google for but won’t find results (censored) or where only one side is presented?

I will Google it and report back…

Re: Learn as you search (and browse) using generative AI

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Post by Xeophon »

skybrian wrote: post #20

“Summarize this YouTube video” (given a link) is what I’d like to see and Google could easily do when there’s a transcript, but they’d probably rather make people watch the video. I think Kagi might do this? Any other good solutions?

Kagi has such a feature, its called Universal Summarizer [0]

[0] https://kagi.com/summarizer/index.html?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww...

Re: Learn as you search (and browse) using generative AI

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Post by standardUser »

Anyone who has spent time with AI chatbots knows how often they are just completely wrong, often in surprising and confusing ways. It's hard enough to parse articles for accuracy and coherency without first passing them through as random error-adding machine.

Re: Learn as you search (and browse) using generative AI

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Post by rchaud »

Drakim wrote: post #48
hamasho wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It may be summarized to what they want, but it can be what I want too. All YouTube recommendations are already what I want to see. Videos from creators who share my world view, criticizing what I hate, and praising what I've already liked. If this Chrome's new feature is also personalized in this manner, I can read articles against my view and still get only what I want. My world view will become increasingly polariz…

When I try to search up a topic on YouTube, the list of search results eventually STOP showing videos matching my criteria and instead show 10 videos in a row labeled "People also watched" that is unrelated to my search. It's one thing to get recommendations in a place where recommendations are appropriate, and the dangers of the feedback loop you are talking about. It's another thing entirely to actively push it in…

What you're describing is a common UX dark pattern. The system must never show blank space in the UI for a search result, lest it drive them into the arms of a competitor.

We can thank Netflix for starting the trend of "we don't have this, but how about this other thing that we do have?"

Re: Learn as you search (and browse) using generative AI

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Post by andsoitis »

nicbou wrote: post #37

Ironically, articles got pointlessly long because of Google. Everyone stretches their content because long form ranks better. A few hours ago I wanted to know the difference between a typhoon and a hurricane. Here is the answer: they're the same thing, just in a different ocean. I clicked three or four articles and had to read for a few minutes to get to that answer. It's even worse with videos. It takes 10 minutes t…

> A few hours ago I wanted to know the difference between a typhoon and a hurricane. Here is the answer: they're the same thing, just in a different ocean. I clicked three or four articles and had to read for a few minutes to get to that answer.

I just googled “what is the difference between typhoon and hurricane”

Top result is from the Red Cross, with this blurb conveniently extracted so I don’t even need to click into the article unless I’m curious more deeply:

If it's above the North Atlantic, central North Pacific or eastern North Pacific oceans (Florida, Caribbean Islands, Texas, Hawaii, etc.), we call it a hurricane. If it hovers over the Northwest Pacific Ocean (usually East Asia), we call it a typhoon.

Re: Learn as you search (and browse) using generative AI

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Post by everdrive »

hamasho wrote: post #41
jraph wrote: post #8

Privacy aside if it's done server side, I think this crosses another dangerous line. With this, Google controls how content you read is summarized, they could introduce biases, intentionally or not, and I'm not sure we should trust such an actor for this.

It may be summarized to what they want, but it can be what I want too. All YouTube recommendations are already what I want to see. Videos from creators who share my world view, criticizing what I hate, and praising what I've already liked. If this Chrome's new feature is also personalized in this manner, I can read articles against my view and still get only what I want. My world view will become increasingly polariz…

>All YouTube recommendations are already what I want to see

I wish I had your experience. My YouTube recommendations can definitely be said to be “my fault” in some sense of the word, but wherever the blame lies they’re still mostly terrible. YouTube will watch me skip a video for a whole week, but keep showing it to me “just in case.” I’d rather it were just a dumb search at this point.

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