not working in SEA, though :/ there are some tricks with apps synthesizing a electromagnetic radio signal via speaker activity but i never got this to work.
Casio G-Shock time sync radio
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Re: Casio G-Shock time sync radio
#62Yes, as others have stated this is an old technology. I don't really understand why this is not more common in the modern day. it's not really that expensive to implement and they did it with analog chips back in the day... Why do we have to set the time on our clock radios or on our microwaves or whatever? Why don't they just always use this Tech. I don't understand. All you have to do is allow people to store an of…
There is already a time signal in the electrical grid: https://www.meinbergglobal.com/english/info/time-synchroniza... > Why don't they just always use this Tech. I don't understand. The bit's that get your oven to work don't need the time. Adding the bits for this is a cost and a thing that can fail because it can't receive the radio signal that equals a Dead on Arrival for your oven and a service call at least. Whe…
Your citation is about using GPS as reference for electrical grid operations/control purposes (very common if your use case can rely on GPS versus local high precision time sources such as a cesium clock). If you were referring to using electrical grid frequency for time keeping, that is a suboptimal solution due to frequency stability nuance.
https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/GPS-PNT...
https://phys.org/news/2011-06-power-grid-disrupt-clocks.html
https://medium.com/@bramus/grid-time-or-why-are-clocks-in-eu...
https://www.entsoe.eu/news/2018/03/06/press-release-continui...
https://www.nist.gov/publications/time-and-frequency-electri... ("Due to the efforts of Henry Warren, inventor of the Telechron electric clock, electric power companies have been a source of time and frequency reference for the public for over a hundred years. However, advances in technology and changes in the electric power industry have generated a movement within the industry to end the time-reference service.")
Re: Casio G-Shock time sync radio
#63Earlier quoted context omitted.
I guess, but still, these seemingly large numbers are still a minute percentage (e.g. probably 0.00001%) of overall costs/revenue that are relatively way, way more. I would understand manufacturing pain, and the ROI just doesn't justify it. But saying that it's solely to do with costs doesn't line up, IMO.
For auto industry, that's big money. VW creates small inserts and adds them to their motor covers for Seat and Skoda. If you pry that logo, there's a molded VW logo on that plastic engine noise cover. Stellantis shares tons of parts and software. Peugeot 2008 and Opel Mokka is essentially the same car. They share the same shifter, electronics and software stack sans the skin applied to displays and LCD geometry. Even…
It also sometimes works out in your favor, especially for VW, since theres Audi and Porsche parts you can just slap on your GTI.
Re: Casio G-Shock time sync radio
#64Earlier quoted context omitted.
I guess, but still, these seemingly large numbers are still a minute percentage (e.g. probably 0.00001%) of overall costs/revenue that are relatively way, way more. I would understand manufacturing pain, and the ROI just doesn't justify it. But saying that it's solely to do with costs doesn't line up, IMO.
Why wouldn’t cost be the sole or most important reason for cutting a non-safety, non-regulated feature? 700k in advertising would make a much bigger impact on revenue than 700k on door handles; unless people are that passionate about door handles that they go somewhere else. Even if your current advertising budget is orders of magnitude larger, the force multiplier on investing in advertising is bigger than the door…
I assume it can be hard to judge impact down the line. A lot of car manufacturers cut out physical buttons, which led for the current generation of horrible interfaces where everything is touch screen and you can’t even get a simple rotary knob for the volume.
My understanding is that this is now going back and car manufacturers are reverting this decision.
So yeah, why not spend the saved money on advertising? I don’t know the complexity of such decisions. There are some manufacturers that do take a stand not to cut as many corners. Over time they can become known for their design. Apple (at least until the mid 2010s) I’d say was one such company.
By the way, as was pointed out, £700k seems negligible to companies that size for something that might potentially torpedo a car if enough people hate that part and refuse to buy it based on those grounds. But I’m not an expert.
Re: Casio G-Shock time sync radio
#65Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why wouldn’t cost be the sole or most important reason for cutting a non-safety, non-regulated feature? 700k in advertising would make a much bigger impact on revenue than 700k on door handles; unless people are that passionate about door handles that they go somewhere else. Even if your current advertising budget is orders of magnitude larger, the force multiplier on investing in advertising is bigger than the door…
I assume it can be hard to judge impact down the line. A lot of car manufacturers cut out physical buttons, which led for the current generation of horrible interfaces where everything is touch screen and you can’t even get a simple rotary knob for the volume. My understanding is that this is now going back and car manufacturers are reverting this decision. So yeah, why not spend the saved money on advertising? I don…
Yeah that’s a good point. I guess in this case, there’s people whose job it is to figure out the value to the company of any decision that they make.
Sometimes they might think the higher end of the market is worth dominating by making the best product possible.
Other times that might be overkill.
It’s all very dependant on the company. Glad I don’t have to make those decisions! I just pretend to understand them on the internet heheh
Re: Casio G-Shock time sync radio
#66If you're interested in buying a Casio watch that does this they tend to be called Waveceptor, I'd recommend looking at one that's also solar powered (tough solar).
Oceanus S100 is absolutely brilliant. Solar powered, radio time sync, titanium (so incredibly lightweight), waterproof, and looks like a dress watch. The only downside is they are only sold in Japan so you have to import them.
The T200 is a great option too- you sacrifice the titanium for stainless steel but get more flexibility as the strap is removable (which IMO makes it more versatile). Beautiful dial too. I own one and I've been looking for watches with similar tinted crystal but haven't been able to find any that do it nearly as well.
Re: Casio G-Shock time sync radio
#67Yes, as others have stated this is an old technology. I don't really understand why this is not more common in the modern day. it's not really that expensive to implement and they did it with analog chips back in the day... Why do we have to set the time on our clock radios or on our microwaves or whatever? Why don't they just always use this Tech. I don't understand. All you have to do is allow people to store an of…
It does feel like something that’s easy to cut from a bill of materials though, nothing else in the microwave relies on the time being accurate. Probably not expensive to implement, but if you’re building a lot of them, I imagine the ~4cents per unit (maybe more, just guessing) adds up fast.
> nothing else in the microwave relies on the time being accurate.
The real question is why does your microwave gives time in the first place. Sounds like they had a display and didn't know what to show on it while the microwave wasn't actively used, I'd say drop the clock altogether
Re: Casio G-Shock time sync radio
#68Earlier quoted context omitted.
For auto industry, that's big money. VW creates small inserts and adds them to their motor covers for Seat and Skoda. If you pry that logo, there's a molded VW logo on that plastic engine noise cover. Stellantis shares tons of parts and software. Peugeot 2008 and Opel Mokka is essentially the same car. They share the same shifter, electronics and software stack sans the skin applied to displays and LCD geometry. Even…
It also sometimes works out in your favor, especially for VW, since theres Audi and Porsche parts you can just slap on your GTI.
I know a guy who installed TT's magnetic active shocks to a Golf and got terrific results.
However, I'd rather have a boring car which I don't need to constantly maintain instead of an exciting one which needs a tune-up every weekend but that's just me.
It's not that I can't. It's rather I won't.
Re: Casio G-Shock time sync radio
#69If you're interested in buying a Casio watch that does this they tend to be called Waveceptor, I'd recommend looking at one that's also solar powered (tough solar).
Oceanus S100 is absolutely brilliant. Solar powered, radio time sync, titanium (so incredibly lightweight), waterproof, and looks like a dress watch. The only downside is they are only sold in Japan so you have to import them.
42mm is huge though
Re: Casio G-Shock time sync radio
#70Earlier quoted context omitted.
It does feel like something that’s easy to cut from a bill of materials though, nothing else in the microwave relies on the time being accurate. Probably not expensive to implement, but if you’re building a lot of them, I imagine the ~4cents per unit (maybe more, just guessing) adds up fast.
> nothing else in the microwave relies on the time being accurate. The real question is why does your microwave gives time in the first place. Sounds like they had a display and didn't know what to show on it while the microwave wasn't actively used, I'd say drop the clock altogether
Yeah honestly! But, if I had to guess, it’s probably built into whatever “microwave controller” SOC is mass manufactured.
The clock was an upsell long ago, but now that the whole device is a commodity product, and the clock is using parts already in the machine, I guess it’s just not worth removing.