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Re: How They Tried to Kill Me

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Post by SXX »

denton-scratch wrote: post #17

Considering that she's presumably well-informed about global affairs, her resistance to the idea that russian secret services might be out to kill her, and especially her refusal to believe she might have been poisoned, is rather striking. It's almost as if she had no idea that russian agents have been poisoning prominent people in foreign lands for the last couple of decades. Perhaps she thinks she's not prominent e…

While she is not a noname journalist I doubt many people from Russian anti-war community would recall her name before this investigation. There are few dozens of journalists and media figures well known in Russia opposition, but she was never one of them.

So journalists expect big political figures to be poisoned or killed, but not one of them.

Re: How They Tried to Kill Me

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Post by y-curious »

selectodude wrote: post #40
0xDEF wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I remember a few years back Iran send assassins to kill Iranian dissidents in Germany, Austria, and Belgium. The assassins were caught and politely returned to Iran on a private plane. No punishment for planned/attempted murder. The West is hopelessly naive about sophisticated and brutal adversaries like Russia and Iran.

It’s not naïvety, it’s that that west would appreciate the same treatment when they send spies and assassins, which they do.

> which they do.

Citation sorely needed

Re: How They Tried to Kill Me

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Post by jjtheblunt »

willcipriano wrote: post #41
mistermann wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Especially impressive about westerners is their honesty about the shortcomings of their own nations.

I'm in the west and I'm often the only person in the room who is aware that the US has been murdering children in almost a dozen countries around the globe for the past two decades. Like they are vaguely aware on a surface level but they haven't really conceptualized the fact and say things like "Russias unprecedented invasion!" dramatically and as if they had a moral leg to stand on.

You’re not the only American in this room to have noticed things like that

Re: How They Tried to Kill Me

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Post by dash2 »

willcipriano wrote: post #41
mistermann wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Especially impressive about westerners is their honesty about the shortcomings of their own nations.

I'm in the west and I'm often the only person in the room who is aware that the US has been murdering children in almost a dozen countries around the globe for the past two decades. Like they are vaguely aware on a surface level but they haven't really conceptualized the fact and say things like "Russias unprecedented invasion!" dramatically and as if they had a moral leg to stand on.

I'm perfectly aware of the US's flaws. What Russia is doing - a war of conquest against a democracy, involving war crimes, crimes against humanity and genocide - is not morally equivalent.

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Post by 5e92cb50239222b »

foldedcornice wrote: post #59
Kapura wrote: post #14

The part that really got to me was this paragraph: >“That is what drives us crazy,” the detective said. “You come here and act like you’re on vacation. Like this is some paradise. It doesn’t even occur to you to keep yourself safe. We have political killings here. The Russian special services are active in Germany. Your carelessness, yours and your colleagues, knows no bounds.” It's very difficult to reconcile what s…

This matches with an account by Bellingcat reporter Christo Grozev, who was interviewed by the Financial Times [1]: "How does it feel, I ask, to be here in absentia? Grozev laughs. After the Russians indicted him “in absentia”, he posted a selfie video from Palm Beach, Florida, against a sunset backdrop. “I said, ‘If this is absentia, it’s a pretty great place to be.’” "Is Austria the least safe European country? “Ye…

https://archive.is/TOJCx

Re: How They Tried to Kill Me

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Post by Aeolun »

dash2 wrote: post #56
selectodude wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s not naïvety, it’s that that west would appreciate the same treatment when they send spies and assassins, which they do.

When has the West sent assassins to Iran or Russia?

What’s the point? Assassinate one dictator and in a few months they’ll have a new one, or the country devolves into a hell of fighting for the next 5 years until one can crown themselves king.

Re: How They Tried to Kill Me

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Post by Swizec »

jackmott42 wrote: post #45
0xDEF wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I remember a few years back Iran send assassins to kill Iranian dissidents in Germany, Austria, and Belgium. The assassins were caught and politely returned to Iran on a private plane. No punishment for planned/attempted murder. The West is hopelessly naive about sophisticated and brutal adversaries like Russia and Iran.

It is more general than the west, it is that Good people are naive. They don't understand how many people are willing to lie and kill to get even petty gains from it. The USA is struggling with this asymmetry internally right now too. We are slowly and politely trying to prosecute people who attempted to overturn an election while they incite civil unrest and pass laws protecting themselves from prosecution

Part of the problem is that if you do it their way, you become them. What’s the point of winning if you get the same outcome as not winning? USA doesn’t need a left/center authoritarian regime just as much as it doesn’t want a right authoritarian regime.

So let’s not advocate for the left becoming authoritarian shall we? [parts of] Europe tried that already, it doesn’t work either.

Re: How They Tried to Kill Me

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Post by generic92034 »

0xDEF wrote: post #34
Kapura wrote: post #14

The part that really got to me was this paragraph: >“That is what drives us crazy,” the detective said. “You come here and act like you’re on vacation. Like this is some paradise. It doesn’t even occur to you to keep yourself safe. We have political killings here. The Russian special services are active in Germany. Your carelessness, yours and your colleagues, knows no bounds.” It's very difficult to reconcile what s…

I remember a few years back Iran send assassins to kill Iranian dissidents in Germany, Austria, and Belgium. The assassins were caught and politely returned to Iran on a private plane. No punishment for planned/attempted murder. The West is hopelessly naive about sophisticated and brutal adversaries like Russia and Iran.

And how would the inevitably resulting prisoner exchange later benefit anyone?
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