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Cruise vehicle gets stuck in wet concrete while driving in San Francisco

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Re: Cruise vehicle gets stuck in wet concrete while driving in San Francisco

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Post by squokko »

forgetfreeman wrote: post #53
squokko wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Current performance definitely does not suggest otherwise! Over Waymo's first million miles, it was involved in two collisions, one of them at-fault. The average for human drivers is 5.3 collisions per million miles.

Oh no you don't. Waymo describes it's tech as Level 4 automation. That is an explicit statement that it underperforms human capabilities and has only been greenlit for -very- limited areas and conditions. Industry reports on the subject suggest Level 5 autonomy won't be possible for at least the next 12 years, which is synonymous with saying the industry currently has no idea how to get there.

It doesn't matter if it's only greenlit for limited areas and conditions -- just use them where they work! Don't use them where they don't!

Re: Cruise vehicle gets stuck in wet concrete while driving in San Francisco

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Post by matthewfelgate »

From reading news stories like this it seems like roadworks in some places in the USA aren't cordoned off as clearly as they are UK. I'm not sure if this is an accurate assessment or not. But unless the car drove through a cone, maybe it wasn't cordoned off sufficiently?

Re: Cruise vehicle gets stuck in wet concrete while driving in San Francisco

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Post by elif »

forgetfreeman wrote: post #35
elif wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I dunno I've been using FSD over a year now and I still get giddy like I'm watching a DARPA challenge car in the university computer lab every time. Some of us are just excited and not scared by the future?

It's pretty trite to try to frame individuals healthy skepticism of self-driving tech as fear of some nebulous future outcome. The tech continues to demonstrate deficiencies -right now-, in this time. All evidence (and the industry's own reporting) suggest that parity with human drivers capability is nowhere on the horizon, and may not be credibly possible with current implementations. That being the case proponents…

The comment I replied to literally said "primal fear"

I'm not framing anything...

People had "primal fear" of seatbelts when they were introduced, even though the statistics, like those of AV, prove their absolute benefit in the preservation of life.

Re: Cruise vehicle gets stuck in wet concrete while driving in San Francisco

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Post by elif »

mminer237 wrote: post #15
mdorazio wrote: post #7

A quick search on Google News shows at least 3 human drivers did the same thing in the last 3 months, so this doesn't bother me all that much.

I'm not saying this is damning evidence, but how many human drivers are on the road versus AI? A quick Google search says there are 300 Cruise vehicles operating at night currently. I am confident I could survey 10 times that many taxi drivers and not find a single one who has accidentally driven into wet concrete.

The problem with that analysis is that "driving into wet concrete" is not even in the top 1000 problems affecting road users.

It is non-fatal for starters, which makes it in a separate category completely from the worst idk ~200 or so problems on roadways.

Ask how many of those taxi drivers how many have interacted with their smartphone while driving, and you will find that 100% of them have been part of a common roadway problem that leads to fatalities.

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Post by Manuel_D »

forgetfreeman wrote: post #46
Manuel_D wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Enormous amounts of time are wasted commuting. The passengers benefit from self driving cars, not just the auto maker.

So you're saying a handful of randos having a little spare time to catch up on Reddit during their commute is a net plus trade for putting mediocre operators on the road? That's definitely a take.

"A little spare time" is more than two hours a day for a lot of people.

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Post by lores »

bryanlarsen wrote: post #59
pshc wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, the infinitely long tail of exceptional circumstances mean that automated driving is an AGI-complete problem. These exceptions are fairly rare, but once there are many driverless vehicles they’ll be more common. Vehicles will need to learn and problem solve to keep up.

1000s of exceptional circumstances, but once added to training data, is solved forever.

Only if they are discretely identifiable, in a wide range of conditions, in a short enough time, and do not conflict with other circumstances...

Re: Cruise vehicle gets stuck in wet concrete while driving in San Francisco

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Post by loloquwowndueo »

elif wrote: post #64
forgetfreeman wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's pretty trite to try to frame individuals healthy skepticism of self-driving tech as fear of some nebulous future outcome. The tech continues to demonstrate deficiencies -right now-, in this time. All evidence (and the industry's own reporting) suggest that parity with human drivers capability is nowhere on the horizon, and may not be credibly possible with current implementations. That being the case proponents…

The comment I replied to literally said "primal fear" I'm not framing anything... People had "primal fear" of seatbelts when they were introduced, even though the statistics, like those of AV, prove their absolute benefit in the preservation of life.

Meanwhile self driving cars get stuck in wet concrete.
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