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YouTube-Dl Site Goes Offline as Hosting Provider Enforces Court-Ordered Ban

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Re: YouTube-Dl Site Goes Offline as Hosting Provider Enforces Court-Ordered Ban

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Post by vkou »

can16358p wrote: post #36
qingcharles wrote: post #26

This is why I'm setting up a reverse proxy on another host in front of my web site, in case I get some fake takedown request from a competitor that causes my host to delete my account. At least if I use a proxy I can spend a small amount of time setting up a new proxy. I used to have a competitor who would email PayPal every couple of weeks to tell them our web site had CP on it just so PayPal would instantly shut of…

So PayPal's policy is "guilty until proven innocent". Nice, hope they go bankrupt.

You're free to try running a payment processor with a mantra of "Innocent until proven guilty."

You'll be a honeypot for every scammer, fraudster, and con artist ready to take advantage of that policy, your processing fees will be through the roof because of chargebacks, and the only people who will use your platform will be the aforementioned scammers, fraudsters, and conmen.

I'm sorry for the GP poster's situation, but there's really no way to make everyone happy, here.

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Post by skissane »

qingcharles wrote: post #26

This is why I'm setting up a reverse proxy on another host in front of my web site, in case I get some fake takedown request from a competitor that causes my host to delete my account. At least if I use a proxy I can spend a small amount of time setting up a new proxy. I used to have a competitor who would email PayPal every couple of weeks to tell them our web site had CP on it just so PayPal would instantly shut of…

> I used to have a competitor who would email PayPal every couple of weeks to tell them our web site had CP on it just so PayPal would instantly shut off our payment gateway while they investigated

Isn’t this sort of behaviour criminal? (I mean the competitor submitting a fake child pornography report, not whatever PayPal did to respond to it.) And if not, surely it ought to be.

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Post by gamblor956 »

qingcharles wrote: post #26

This is why I'm setting up a reverse proxy on another host in front of my web site, in case I get some fake takedown request from a competitor that causes my host to delete my account. At least if I use a proxy I can spend a small amount of time setting up a new proxy. I used to have a competitor who would email PayPal every couple of weeks to tell them our web site had CP on it just so PayPal would instantly shut of…

After the second false claim you should have had your legal department reach out to theirs, and to the FBI, and that would have solved both your takedown problems and created a huge legal headache for your competitor. And by "headache" I mean time spent in prison.

Paypal has long had the ability to whitelist websites that are subject to this kind of harassment. If you choose not to avail yourself of these options, it's not Paypal's fault.

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Post by PartiallyTyped »

adgjlsfhk1 wrote: post #58
PartiallyTyped wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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I'll take that trade

I would too. But i am saying if we are okay with gun manufacturers enabling death and murder, then by all means ytdl can and should stay up.

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Post by Espionage724 »

superkuh wrote: post #51

It's amazing what kind of mental gymnastics can allow someone to think you can watch a video without downloading it. Lawyers live in a world very unlike reality.

I can listen to music on the radio, but it's a whole different issue when I pick specific songs to pirate for my own personal listening :p But that's not where the caring comes in; it's the tools I can use to pirate songs; hence youtube-dl going down and not the users who used it.

I wouldn't be surprised if there's a TOS clause about videos on YT not being your property and that you can't export them off the platform unless you own the rights to the specific video. People that watch videos on YT are using someone else's platform; don't like it, don't use the platform, and tell the content creator to upload somewhere else. Nobody is entitled to bypass intentional blocks by YT and use 3rd-party tools to download other people's videos.

Personally I only used youtube-dl to pirate songs from HQ videos :p I can't imaging there being a large percentage of "legitmate" and fair usage.

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Post by Workaccount2 »

A4ET8a8uTh0 wrote: post #55
Workaccount2 wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The wider internet has some kind of brain damage where they think spreading stuff like this is a smart way of protesting.

I agree and I don't. We can rip dvds almost precisely, because spreading stuff beyond the ability for it to be easily controlled under single point of failure.

Nothing could really be done about DVDs because the hardware was immutable and already out in the wild.

Highlighting a still operating service though just draws legal attention to it.

It's like finding a crappy bar everyone hates that stores beers out back in a alley. You can keep it to yourself and enjoy it for years, or you can "protest" the bar by telling the whole town about it.

See ad-blocking for a real world example of this.

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Post by Espionage724 »

echelon wrote: post #63
lylejantzi3rd wrote: post #25

Is apple in on this too? The apple security signing for running my local copy of yt-dlp started failing about an hour ago.

This is why Apple and Google need to hold less power.

No, people need to stop letting Apple and Google have so much power; such silly victim mentality!

There's plenty of software and means to host your own video platforms.

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Post by eastbound »

branon wrote: post #2

It's laughable how symbolic and ultimately meaningless this is. GitHub has already proven themselves to be a good actor in this particular fight, so not only is the repo online, but we also have http://ytdl-org.github.io/youtube-dl/ The Uberspace provider is appealing the decision as well. Even with the site down, this looks incredibly positive from where I sit. Rightsholders and litigators get stuffed, we always win…

I wish it weren’t seen as a battle against rightholders.

It’s a big burden for freedom of expression. When there is a lie spread by actual journalists, it’s extremely important to be able to download the video, criticize it, show the moment the journalist lies, reupload it.

Otherwise we become like DDR Germany where the people in power never get criticized or held accountable for what they say.

The shareholder rights are collateral damage, not the main damage. We’re not mainly using youtube-dl to copy copyrighted material.

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