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Re: Amazon tracks and targets US staff over 3 days in office rule

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Post by ilyt »

Abroszka wrote: post #52
ilyt wrote: post #5

"Concerns about privacy" on just "works at office/remotely" is a weird complaint. I'd think even under EU and GDPR logging whether user badged in or used VPN would be entirely fine.

No, it's not fine. It adds a lot of complications and EU countries are different. It's not an accident that this is US only. The main problem is that while it's fine to collect that data, but to use it to calculate attendance is an another question.

I think only problem would be not telling the employee that is used as attendance data.

Anyone with full time employment (at least here in Poland) will have attendance data in one or other way because it's required by law

Re: Amazon tracks and targets US staff over 3 days in office rule

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Post by schott12521 »

lopkeny12ko wrote: post #54

To summarize: * Amazon requires in-office work N days a week. * Employees agree. * Employees don't honor the agreement. * Amazon sends a notice that employees need to honor the agreement they made to return to office. * Entitled employees are upset.

- Amazon employees that were going into an office pre-pandemic switched to virtual when the company asked.

- Amazon employees stay productive, company makes the most it ever has due to the pandemic.

- Amazon fumbles for 1.5 years, doesn’t clearly communicate the desire to have everyone working in Seattle/hubs again, continues hiring remote talent.

- Most employees get frustrated at the fact that Amazon has complete control of the contract. Amazon says “you must work here” and there’s 0 room to negotiate.

Now I get it, we’re US workers with little workers rights and we get paid good money. So, to people like you, we should suck it up and just deal with it! Quit being so entitled!

Sure.

Where’s the empathy for our fellow humans that are being forced to move across the country with their family because they took a job that promised them one thing, and is now taking that away?

Re: Amazon tracks and targets US staff over 3 days in office rule

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Post by mrbonner »

alex-nt wrote: post #33

This week I went to the office (not Amazon, another company in Europe) for 3 days in a row because we had new-joiners and I wanted to make it easier for them in the beginning. I live near the office, just a 15m walk away, and I would still not like to continue 3D/W. I know, people call it entitlement, but my problem is that the office is a hostile environment. Here is my experience, in an office that was at most 30%…

Apparently you are not the pro in term of limited restrooms stall. You need to “floor jumping”: the art of using the stair either up or down a few levels until a free one is avail.

Re: Amazon tracks and targets US staff over 3 days in office rule

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Post by schott12521 »

amzn1691681962 wrote: post #31
x86x87 wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lol. Based on chats with a buddy that [still] work there, in [most] a lot of buildings they have a system sort of like the subway. Swipe, door open, you pass through, door close. There isba sensor that can tell if you went in. You also swipe in and out of the building. So not only they know you were there, they know for how long. From a business security point of view this makes sense. You want to know who is in the…

> everyone got the email. Not a single soul they talked to met the "quota" As an Amazon employee who has been RTO'ing 3 days a week like a good corporate drone, I can absolutely attest that this is not true. It does seem like the query used didn't take things like time-off or holidays though either. My anecdote - there are MANY director level managers who are against RTO and thought they could just turn a blind eye a…

That’s a very good take, I completely agree (but do feel bad that you’ve been going in!).

My last day is today, my org tried very hard to keep me. They were going to get me a remote exception until the email came out, now they have no idea what will happen.

Just like you explained, everyone told me that the director would shield us. That one email changed everything.

Re: Amazon tracks and targets US staff over 3 days in office rule

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Post by lopkeny12ko »

schott12521 wrote: post #62
lopkeny12ko wrote: post #54

To summarize: * Amazon requires in-office work N days a week. * Employees agree. * Employees don't honor the agreement. * Amazon sends a notice that employees need to honor the agreement they made to return to office. * Entitled employees are upset.

- Amazon employees that were going into an office pre-pandemic switched to virtual when the company asked. - Amazon employees stay productive, company makes the most it ever has due to the pandemic. - Amazon fumbles for 1.5 years, doesn’t clearly communicate the desire to have everyone working in Seattle/hubs again, continues hiring remote talent. - Most employees get frustrated at the fact that Amazon has complete c…

Tell me you're a low performer without telling me you're a low performer ;)

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Post by schott12521 »

lopkeny12ko wrote: post #65
schott12521 wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

- Amazon employees that were going into an office pre-pandemic switched to virtual when the company asked. - Amazon employees stay productive, company makes the most it ever has due to the pandemic. - Amazon fumbles for 1.5 years, doesn’t clearly communicate the desire to have everyone working in Seattle/hubs again, continues hiring remote talent. - Most employees get frustrated at the fact that Amazon has complete c…

Tell me you're a low performer without telling me you're a low performer ;)

Low performers == people acting with empathy? I thought the Earth's best employer would "lead with empathy" [1]?

I'm (voluntarily) leaving today after 5 years, I guess my performance was good enough to let me stay for that long.

[1]: https://www.aboutamazon.com/news/company-news/two-new-leader...

Re: Amazon tracks and targets US staff over 3 days in office rule

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Post by rokkitmensch »

schott12521 wrote: post #66
lopkeny12ko wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tell me you're a low performer without telling me you're a low performer ;)

Low performers == people acting with empathy? I thought the Earth's best employer would "lead with empathy" [1]? I'm (voluntarily) leaving today after 5 years, I guess my performance was good enough to let me stay for that long. [1]: https://www.aboutamazon.com/news/company-news/two-new-leader...

Absolutely! The performance rubric looks at your value to them, not any of the other wishy-washy axes, comrade.

Re: Amazon tracks and targets US staff over 3 days in office rule

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Post by oblio »

mrbonner wrote: post #63
alex-nt wrote: post #33

This week I went to the office (not Amazon, another company in Europe) for 3 days in a row because we had new-joiners and I wanted to make it easier for them in the beginning. I live near the office, just a 15m walk away, and I would still not like to continue 3D/W. I know, people call it entitlement, but my problem is that the office is a hostile environment. Here is my experience, in an office that was at most 30%…

Apparently you are not the pro in term of limited restrooms stall. You need to “floor jumping”: the art of using the stair either up or down a few levels until a free one is avail.

Then you might have the same problem there so you end up "toilet hunting" (if you're lucky and your company has multiple floors) which is mind bogglingly time inefficient.

Re: Amazon tracks and targets US staff over 3 days in office rule

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Post by alex-nt »

mrbonner wrote: post #63
alex-nt wrote: post #33

This week I went to the office (not Amazon, another company in Europe) for 3 days in a row because we had new-joiners and I wanted to make it easier for them in the beginning. I live near the office, just a 15m walk away, and I would still not like to continue 3D/W. I know, people call it entitlement, but my problem is that the office is a hostile environment. Here is my experience, in an office that was at most 30%…

Apparently you are not the pro in term of limited restrooms stall. You need to “floor jumping”: the art of using the stair either up or down a few levels until a free one is avail.

We did that! Sometimes I would sprint across the stairs 1-2 floors to go to the bathroom. The problem was that just to reach another stall you had to go through x4 security doors that were quite hard to open so it took quite a bit of time. Something that should have taken max 5m now was taking 15m, and my bladder was quite unhappy. Also, due to this, all breaks got elongated, as we were waiting for colleagues before going to lunch (for example) to go to the bathroom, and we were also waiting during meetings for them to arrive from the bathroom.
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