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PSA: Intel Graphics Drivers Now Collect Telemetry by Default

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Re: PSA: Intel Graphics Drivers Now Collect Telemetry by Default

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Post by momirlan »

nologic01 wrote: post #53

You can count on the tech industry to provide you with a daily dose of outrage. This is very corrosive. Not only does it poison the well people want to use towards positive goals, but with tech being effectively unavoidable by anybody but extreme hermits, it creates a sense of complete and irreversible moral decay that permeates all of society.

> it creates a sense of complete and irreversible moral decay

or, it is just another reflection of the "complete and irreversible moral decay that permeates all of society". the decay of any civilization is predictable and irreversible, and not a pretty sight...

Re: PSA: Intel Graphics Drivers Now Collect Telemetry by Default

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Post by LoganDark »

baal80spam wrote: post #37
wredue wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nvidia collects all the same data, and you cannot opt out of it if you run GeForce experience.

> if you run GeForce experience Exactly. It is a reason I never install it when updating Nvidia drivers (yes I know I'm missing out eg. on shadowplay but I don't use it anyway).

I think GFE's implementation of ShadowPlay is replicable by third-party/open-source applications as well. It just uses some sorta-undocumented Nvidia APIs to capture the screen without the software overhead: https://forums.guru3d.com/threads/msi-afterburner-3-0-0-beta...

Not sure if anything like OBS implements this or not.

Re: PSA: Intel Graphics Drivers Now Collect Telemetry by Default

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Post by throw_m239339 »

ginko wrote: post #9

How can engineers working on this even look at themselves without being ashamed? For the record: I'm a graphics driver engineer myself.

> How can engineers working on this even look at themselves without being ashamed?

These aren't engineering decisions but marketing ones. The role of an engineer is to engineer a solution, not make business decisions. The decision to turn telemetry on by default was not taken by an engineer, so engineers at intel shouldn't feel ashamed of anything at first place.

Re: PSA: Intel Graphics Drivers Now Collect Telemetry by Default

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Post by loeg »

royal_ts wrote: post #46
inktype wrote: post #31

Windows and its ecosystem have already become a telemetry monster; if you're fine with everything else, you ought to be fine with this. The linked Intel support page shows the simple instructions for opting out of the telemetry. Having said that, 2022 was already the year of the Linux desktop. Everything works. KDE gets better every week. Be the owner of your technology. Join us!

KDE is great but also very, very buggy. I'm using it since 2016 and some bugs just won't go away and good luck with openeing a bug report - nobody will care. Especially multi monitor support just isn't good. Multi window support is also, by default, not as good as Windows does it. Sicne a few updates I'm getting some polciykit errors everytime I'm doing anything session related just because - I have not found a solut…

I use KDE daily, including a multi-monitor setup, and it is not buggy in my experience. Like, at all, much less "very, very." I wonder why we have had such different experiences? I'm using Fedora.

Re: PSA: Intel Graphics Drivers Now Collect Telemetry by Default

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Post by momirlan »

ginko wrote: post #9

How can engineers working on this even look at themselves without being ashamed? For the record: I'm a graphics driver engineer myself.

same as all other IT personnel contribute to their company products' marketing efforts: " know your customer", "improve the product", etc. Not necessarily evil, just a reflection of how money and profit drives free enterprise. as the struggle for margin intensifies, all efforts are put into capturing the most details about the usage of a product.

Re: PSA: Intel Graphics Drivers Now Collect Telemetry by Default

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Post by FirmwareBurner »

loeg wrote: post #64
royal_ts wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

KDE is great but also very, very buggy. I'm using it since 2016 and some bugs just won't go away and good luck with openeing a bug report - nobody will care. Especially multi monitor support just isn't good. Multi window support is also, by default, not as good as Windows does it. Sicne a few updates I'm getting some polciykit errors everytime I'm doing anything session related just because - I have not found a solut…

I use KDE daily, including a multi-monitor setup, and it is not buggy in my experience. Like, at all, much less "very, very." I wonder why we have had such different experiences? I'm using Fedora.

Maybe he's using an older KDE release or on a not-first-class distro which doesn't ship with it out of the box, like Mint.

Re: PSA: Intel Graphics Drivers Now Collect Telemetry by Default

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Post by gpderetta »

FirmwareBurner wrote: post #17
hospitalJail wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Huh, I wonder if this applies to people with Linux Nvidia drivers.

Linux drivers don't come with GeForce experience

As a long time nvidia-on-linux user, that's an "experience" I'm willing to miss.

Re: PSA: Intel Graphics Drivers Now Collect Telemetry by Default

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Post by marcodiego »

registeredcorn wrote: post #57
marcodiego wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Rationalization. I've seen developers I thought were reasonable doing much worse things with cellphones.

I'd be interested to hear more about the cellphone bit, if you're willing to share.

I'd love to, but since I'm not sure what could be the implications (I was employed by them at the time), I don't know if I can't safely do it. All I can say is that it was locking out features through software.

Re: PSA: Intel Graphics Drivers Now Collect Telemetry by Default

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Post by momirlan »

personalityson wrote: post #18

After having realized that I don't know and can't put into exact words what harm telemetry represents for me personally, I stopped caring and I always opt in to share as much of my telemetry info as possible

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