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The Myth of AI Omniscience: AI's Epistemological Limits

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Why would AGI be bound to human made models? Why can it no develop its own?

Recursive insight is possible with a model that self trains, but right now that would result in a detour into unreality. Perhaps with the right systems of vetting prior to incorporating new data into the retraining set. Right now they just get stupider if you train them on their own output, which suggests that the quality of the data available in the training set is higher than the quality of output produced by the m…

Not necessarily. For example Anthropic's ConstitutionalAI (CAI) leverages the model to substitute human judgments in RLHF, effectuating essentially RLAIF. CAI information is used to fine-tune the Claude model.

Broadly speaking, you require statistics at echelon N+1 when you are at rung N. We can amplify models by providing them additional time, self-reflexion, demand step by step planning, allow external tools, tune it on human preferences, or give it feedback from executing a code, or from a robot.

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It’s not a mapping of words. It’s a mapping of character sequences. You can ask chatgpt to define “hackernewsitis (zero hits on google) and it gives a plausible definition. Also the fact that it can write code is evidence that it can understand new concepts. A variable declaration is a coining of a (very short lived) new word.

Hackernewsitis is a made-up term that refers to the tendency of some people on the online forum Hacker News to get overly focused on or obsessed with certain topics, technologies, or companies. Some characteristics of hackernewsitis include: - Endlessly debating or commenting on the same subjects over and over, even when no new information is being contributed. - Getting emotionally invested in certain technologies o…

This is literally a perfect definition.

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> But the ways in which a LLM can “talk about” the universe (and everything it contains) are limited to the ways in which humans have previously talked about the universe. This is often said, but it isn't so. The task of predicting the next token in human speech really well requires immense intelligence — potentially far more intelligence than possessed by the original speaker! Imagine yourself engaging in the task o…

This is a great example when it comes to trying to understand the epistemological limits of AI. People inherently fall back on an argument that presumes the human mind works like a neural network.

There's an interesting theory that I've never been able to identify the origins of, that humans like to think that we created technology from needs based on our models of the world, whereas we ignore the effects of daily technology on our thinking frameworks. The argument essentially states that we never "discovered" the circulatory system of the heart or "discovered" it works like a pump and valves, rather instead right around the same time this theoretical work was being investigated on the heart is when the industrial revolution was in full swing. Thus, we modelled the heart as pumps and valves because that's the technology we were surrounded by. The heart isn't somehow inherently a "pump" and we "discovered" that, we just started using the pump metaphor because it seemed to help do other things. I'm sure though that the metaphor has it limits.

Typically, the narrative around the invention of machine learning models is that we started coding computers to be more like recently "discovered" models of the brain.

Under this theory its the opposite. Right as cognitive sciences started developing as a novel field of research is when we developed computers. So, in classic form we decomposed the brain in atomic fashion, and the 'atoms' of measurement we chose to use ended up being bits and bytes.

Distinguishing between inventing "novel" things and gobbledygook is completely subjective and based on the viewer's own models. It's proving these abilities after the fact, not before it. Thousand monkeys on typewriters etc.

This measurement of "accuracy" is completely forgetting everything that Kuhn discovered about scientific knowledge. If you've got a community of like 3 people who research some incredibly esoteric scientific field, only those 3 people could ever accurately judge the full extent of their domain. A model could generate a series of tokens that for the rest of the world is gobbledygook, but to these 3 scientists it makes perfect sense. This doesn't really endeavour me to believe that there's anything "novel" about what AI "predicts". It just throws out enough combinations and we conveniently ignore the huge gaps when its wrong, but then jump up and down excitedly when it's "right" (as if its discovered some universal material objective truth).

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That's not an LLM, though. We haven't seen evidence yet that an LLM can combine existing language in novel ways. In fact, we've seen over and over that LLMs are quite generic. Compared to text-to-image, which is seemingly impossible to use without getting something weird

> We haven't seen evidence yet that an LLM can combine existing language in novel ways. How about BubbleSort written in Shakespeare style?

I would say coming up with BubbleSort or Shakespeare's writings from scratch is an example of novelty/creativity.

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> To sum up: because LLMs are fundamentally limited to i) using our vocabulary, ii) “understanding” concepts in the ways we do, and iii) “talking” in the ways we do, then, at best, a LLM can only mirror back to us the order we have carved, the truth we have honed. That conclusion is not correct. Generative models can combine existing concepts in novel ways which have never been considered before. This is most easily…

How much of the "novel ways which have never been considered before" is just the novelty effect of having your very own artist? A human being could certainly produce any of the works of Dall-E 2, given the same prompt. The change here is the cost, and not the capability. Of course, this is still significant, but it doesn't suggest to me that Dall-E 2 "thinks" differently or would be able to seriously alter the nature of our cognition, except to the extent that it allows us to realize the same ideas faster.

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> To sum up: because LLMs are fundamentally limited to i) using our vocabulary, ii) “understanding” concepts in the ways we do, and iii) “talking” in the ways we do, then, at best, a LLM can only mirror back to us the order we have carved, the truth we have honed. That conclusion is not correct. Generative models can combine existing concepts in novel ways which have never been considered before. This is most easily…

This is a good point. No human could possibly have envisioned a teddy bear swimming in an Olympic pool, as we did not previously have the words or conceptual framework to describe that. That image could never have existed before the invention of transformer technology.

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That's not an LLM, though. We haven't seen evidence yet that an LLM can combine existing language in novel ways. In fact, we've seen over and over that LLMs are quite generic. Compared to text-to-image, which is seemingly impossible to use without getting something weird

Is there something about the nature of language and linguistic meaning that would make it difficult to combine language in novel ways?

I would posit the opposite, language exists to be combined in any number of ways easily and still communicate well. A language that cannot do this does not I think exist.

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> We haven't seen evidence yet that an LLM can combine existing language in novel ways. How about BubbleSort written in Shakespeare style?

I would say coming up with BubbleSort or Shakespeare's writings from scratch is an example of novelty/creativity.

Most humans can do neither, so it's setting the bar far too high.
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