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The unix69 keyboard layout: nerdy and nice

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Re: The unix69 keyboard layout: nerdy and nice

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First glance I thought this was silly with left ctrl changed to fn But on closer look, I saw caps lock was changed to ctrl. Which is what I do on all my computers I hope the Framework ecosystem grows so we might someday see a keyboard like this for it

> I saw caps lock was changed to ctrl. Which is what I do on all my computers But then how do you yell at people on the internet?!?!

BOTH SHIFTS TOGETHER TURNS ON CAPS LOCK and tap either to turn it off.

Re: The unix69 keyboard layout: nerdy and nice

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I am continually baffled by how keyboard enthusiasts almost never have ergonomic layouts. If you care this much about typing, surely the first thing you do is get an ergo layout. The rectangle layout is really bad, people! How can you spend this much time and energy and money on keyboards, and keep using the awful rectangle layout?

I have arthritis in my hands. Switching to a super soft rubber dome did more for me than any of the tons of ergonomic layouts I tried. I poured a lot of money into the problem, including getting a Kinesis Advantage. I don't think they actually have much medical benefit at all. I think everything they achieve can be achieved by just placing your hands in a more comfortable position. My current keyboard of choice is ac…

I also suffer from rheumatism, and I spent years (and many hundreds of dollars) trying out split keyboards before finding out that my problems had nothing to do with wrist positions. I'm now typing comfortably on a rectangular chiclet (Apple Magic) keyboard.

Re: The unix69 keyboard layout: nerdy and nice

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> A proper Unix keyboard layout must have escape next to 1 and control next to A. I don't get it, why is this a hard requirement?

It's how almost most keyboards were until the later IBM PC layout became most common in the early 90s.

Home computers from Apple, Atari, Amiga, pretty much all Unix workstations, Macs up until the late 80s, the Acorn machines. They all had Control next to A. Ok, except for the VIC-20/C64 which had it next to... Q.

Because caps-locks doesn't need prime real estate. It's barely needed. But control is used constantly, especially on Unix machines.

The escape position, that I'm less rigid about.

Re: The unix69 keyboard layout: nerdy and nice

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I have arthritis in my hands. Switching to a super soft rubber dome did more for me than any of the tons of ergonomic layouts I tried. I poured a lot of money into the problem, including getting a Kinesis Advantage. I don't think they actually have much medical benefit at all. I think everything they achieve can be achieved by just placing your hands in a more comfortable position. My current keyboard of choice is ac…

I also suffer from rheumatism, and I spent years (and many hundreds of dollars) trying out split keyboards before finding out that my problems had nothing to do with wrist positions. I'm now typing comfortably on a rectangular chiclet (Apple Magic) keyboard.

I tried some mechanical keyboards back in the day for the "benefits". I never got it and my hands would be strained from typing on the high travel, high resistance keys. The Apple Keyboard (I use the UK/English International) is so much easier on my hands. They're easy to find, well-supported and robust.

Re: The unix69 keyboard layout: nerdy and nice

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I am continually baffled by how keyboard enthusiasts almost never have ergonomic layouts. If you care this much about typing, surely the first thing you do is get an ergo layout. The rectangle layout is really bad, people! How can you spend this much time and energy and money on keyboards, and keep using the awful rectangle layout?

What do you mean by ergo? Split? Columnar? Splayed? Sculpted?

The rectangle layout doesn't cause me issues maybe because I don't bend my wrists sharply when typing and I use a palm rest.

There is definitely a benefit to going split (less hunching of the back and shoulders) but then it can cause cramping with the pinkies. Cramping of the pinking can be solved with a columnar layout for some but by that point you are having to relearn to type.

The problem with ergonomic layouts is that they are not a one size fits all and it can get costly and time consuming to figure out what works for you.

Personally I have arrived at a Cantour Remix with a Colemak-DHm layout but even then I am only 90% happy with this setup.

Fear of losing typing speed holds a lot of people back from trying ergo layouts but from my experience it's possible to use Qwerty during the day while learning another layout on a split board at night without it impacting my Qwerty typing speed.

Re: The unix69 keyboard layout: nerdy and nice

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I am continually baffled by how keyboard enthusiasts almost never have ergonomic layouts. If you care this much about typing, surely the first thing you do is get an ergo layout. The rectangle layout is really bad, people! How can you spend this much time and energy and money on keyboards, and keep using the awful rectangle layout?

Keyboard enthusiasts can never get carpal tunnel because they spend too much time switching keyboards to actually type .

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Re: The unix69 keyboard layout: nerdy and nice

#68
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> A proper Unix keyboard layout must have escape next to 1 and control next to A. I don't get it, why is this a hard requirement?

It's how almost most keyboards were until the later IBM PC layout became most common in the early 90s. Home computers from Apple, Atari, Amiga, pretty much all Unix workstations, Macs up until the late 80s, the Acorn machines. They all had Control next to A. Ok, except for the VIC-20/C64 which had it next to... Q. Because caps-locks doesn't need prime real estate. It's barely needed. But control is used constantly, e…

The Amiga had Caps Lock next to A.

I've actually come to like Ctrl where it is on PCs. As it's in the corner, it's nice and easy to hit. I can sit my little finger on whichever one is convenient, then carry on typing much as normal, even using the same hand. Ctrl+Shift is also no problem.

Don't know what I'd put in caps lock's place. I don't actually think it's a particularly good location for a meta key. Maybe it'd be good for backspace? I don't really make enough mistakes for the current backspace location to be a problem.

Re: The unix69 keyboard layout: nerdy and nice

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Vim reasons I'm guessing

You can remap the key combination "jk" to ESC in order to switch effortlessly from editing mode to normal mode. inoremap jk ("jk" doesn't normally appear in English and is easy to type)

but in other languages you might be doomed

  $ aspell --lang=pl dump master | cut -d / -f 1 | fgrep jk | wc -l
   981

Re: The unix69 keyboard layout: nerdy and nice

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post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's how almost most keyboards were until the later IBM PC layout became most common in the early 90s. Home computers from Apple, Atari, Amiga, pretty much all Unix workstations, Macs up until the late 80s, the Acorn machines. They all had Control next to A. Ok, except for the VIC-20/C64 which had it next to... Q. Because caps-locks doesn't need prime real estate. It's barely needed. But control is used constantly, e…

The Amiga had Caps Lock next to A. I've actually come to like Ctrl where it is on PCs. As it's in the corner, it's nice and easy to hit. I can sit my little finger on whichever one is convenient, then carry on typing much as normal, even using the same hand. Ctrl+Shift is also no problem. Don't know what I'd put in caps lock's place. I don't actually think it's a particularly good location for a meta key. Maybe it'd…

Ah, Amiga was one of those weirdos with both caps locks and ctrl over there. But you could still hit ctrl with a pinky over there, as god intended.

I map ctrl to capslocks, but also leave the ctrl where pc104 has it as well.

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