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HackerOne lays off 12% of its workforce

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Re: HackerOne lays off 12% of its workforce

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Post by wiseowise »

nickserv wrote: post #48

> It is expected that the reorganization will also affect employees in the U.K., the Netherlands, and other countries. After completing the relevant consultation proceedings, we will be able to inform all people involved with more detail. These processes will take longer. Translation: we can't just dump people from one day too the next in these countries because of worker protection laws.

And thank god for it. As far as I know it’s near impossible to drop someone in the Netherlands without providing proof that employee did some weird stuff.

Re: HackerOne lays off 12% of its workforce

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Post by kxrm »

codingdave wrote: post #53
frays wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did this company name-based nickname for employees start from Google calling their employees Googlers in the early 2000s? I don't think companies like Walmart, McDonalds, JPMorgan, etc have nicknames for their employees. Does anyone know when this all started?

I got my first job at IBM in 1994. We definitely got called us IBMers at that time, although it was typically used informally, not in layoff notifications.

At my first job in 1994, at a grocery chain of all places, they just called us "associates". Professional and to the point. I don't understand this desire to brand my association with a company. It's really weird.

Re: HackerOne lays off 12% of its workforce

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Post by deciplex »

Groxx wrote: post #55
deciplex wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> There's not much middle ground between "try to have some fun at work because there's no reason not to" and "don't do something someone might take issue with". What? There is miles of middle ground there.

Such as? Keep in mind you can't make anyone uncomfortable, because uncomfortable people come to internet forums and talk about being uncomfortable. People vary a lot in what they accept. There may be plenty of room for you , but for everyone ? I wish you luck.

You don't see the middle ground between "make no one uncomfortable" and "make everyone uncomfortable?" It seems to me you're viewing this completely in black and white and then insisting that it really is black and white in actual reality, when in fact what you need is a better TV.

(To strain the turn of phrase to its breaking point.)

e: I mean, shit, even in the false dichotomy of "make no one uncomfortable" and "make everyone uncomfortable" there is middle ground: making everyone a little bit uncomfortable vs making everyone extremely uncomfortable.

Re: HackerOne lays off 12% of its workforce

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Post by deciplex »

wiseowise wrote: post #56
deciplex wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Completely agree with this, but at the same time there is something deeply dysfunctional about our mercenary attitude toward our work relationships. For any given individual I think they have no choice to approach it this way, but I do hope we eventually land somewhere a little healthier, as a culture.

> but at the same time there is something deeply dysfunctional about our mercenary attitude toward our work relationships. Mercenary attitude is the healthiest attitude there is. It’s not hypocritical, it’s not elusive it’s what it is.

In the context of our current work culture, yes I think I agree with that. But I think that's a symptom of how dysfunctional our current work culture is.

edit:

> Can you tell us more?

I literally can't actually, at least not as a reply to you, because dang has once again limited my ability to post on HN. Too many left-leaning folks here already, I guess. Here is what my reply would have been:

> If you're happy with the wholly adversarial relationship between employee and employer along with management practices that pit people against each other etc then more power to you. If you think this results in the best outcomes both in terms of working conditions and also productivity, then go off king. I don't think anything I could say here would convince you otherwise, anyway.

...and now I'll be exiting this conversation as I've been given no other choice - see ya!

Re: HackerOne lays off 12% of its workforce

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Post by oplaadpunt »

wiseowise wrote: post #61
nickserv wrote: post #48

> It is expected that the reorganization will also affect employees in the U.K., the Netherlands, and other countries. After completing the relevant consultation proceedings, we will be able to inform all people involved with more detail. These processes will take longer. Translation: we can't just dump people from one day too the next in these countries because of worker protection laws.

And thank god for it. As far as I know it’s near impossible to drop someone in the Netherlands without providing proof that employee did some weird stuff.

It is also possible for economic reasons like reorganizations, but still, those will need a valid reason, and severence packages are mandatory. Just sacking people who don't have a temporary contract is impossible.

Re: HackerOne lays off 12% of its workforce

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Post by CryptoBanker »

lsy wrote: post #42

Can you imagine sitting down to write an email announcing a layoff and deciding that opening with "H1" in place of "Hi" and calling people "Hackeronies" would be a great, culture-preserving idea? It's an extremely serious email and for the CEO to have not thought twice about whether this time he should just write "Hi" and refer to people as "our coworkers" says a lot about his state of mind.

I'm pretty sure H1 Team is short for HackerOne Team, not Hi Team

Re: HackerOne lays off 12% of its workforce

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Post by Groxx »

deciplex wrote: post #64
Groxx wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Such as? Keep in mind you can't make anyone uncomfortable, because uncomfortable people come to internet forums and talk about being uncomfortable. People vary a lot in what they accept. There may be plenty of room for you , but for everyone ? I wish you luck.

You don't see the middle ground between "make no one uncomfortable" and "make everyone uncomfortable?" It seems to me you're viewing this completely in black and white and then insisting that it really is black and white in actual reality, when in fact what you need is a better TV. (To strain the turn of phrase to its breaking point.) e: I mean, shit, even in the false dichotomy of "make no one uncomfortable" and "ma…

No, I'm saying that hackeronies does not make everyone uncomfortable / is not necessarily cult indoctrination. Stuff like that can and does arise naturally in groups of people (and can also arise as a control mechanism).

You're saying there are pure non-creepy fun actions for everyone that a business can do. I'm saying it's too gray to make that assertion, not too black and white. So I'm curious what you think is perfectly safe for everyone.

Re: HackerOne lays off 12% of its workforce

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Post by andsoitis »

nannal wrote: post #6
mydriasis wrote: post #2

> This comes as disappointing news, as we've all built strong connections with our fellow Hackeronies. Sorry my little Hackeronie. I'm afraid I'll be firing you now.

Does anyone else feel weird about these terms used for employees. Hackeronis, Twittarians, Redditites, coinbese?

How do you feel about someone calling themselves a xoogler?
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