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Re: Amazon requires services on Fire TV to give it 30% of ad impressions or revenue

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Post by duped »

kneebonian wrote: post #21
afavour wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One of the reasons the state of smart home TV really disappoints me. Logical conclusion is we'll all end up with Netflix HDMI sticks, Hulu sticks etc etc etc. DRM means we're never going to end up with a fully open TV player.

Why can't you just plug a Linux box into your TV and use that? Like am I taking crazy pills. I got fed up with the madness of all the streaming sticks, and putting in my password with a crappy remote and ended up dropping $300 on an old desktop from a discount computer store. Spent an hour throwing Ubuntu on it, and now bam, works like a charm. I put the youtube, PBS Kids, and Disney+ (which we later removed) icons o…

> Why can't you just plug a Linux box into your TV and use that?

Because most streaming services don't support 4k HDR on Linux. And if I'm spending thousands of dollars for my TV to play 4k HDR content, I want to be able to watch it.

Re: Amazon requires services on Fire TV to give it 30% of ad impressions or revenue

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Post by vladvasiliu »

mschuster91 wrote: post #40
andrewmackrodt wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't have (all of) those services but they're not like for like comparable for any services using Widevine, e.g. Amazon, Netflix and Disney. A Linux install will give you access to L3 content using the browser (usually limited to 720p but you can get a 1080p stream out of Netflix using a browser extension). I think the poster was having a bit of a joke though.

I'm really surprised that no one has bothered (or managed) to create an open-source TEE emulator. I mean, there's a ton of different ARM CPUs around there, and it's all ARM under the hood, so it should be possible to create a virtual TEE/TPM and provide it transparently to a VM?

What I'm more surprised, is that since most of the decoding and stuff is done on the GPU anyways, and the GPU has to be HDCP compliant, why can't they just directly send the stream to the GPU as is, tell it where to display it, and be done with it.

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Post by HWR_14 »

Workaccount2 wrote: post #33

The trickle down effects of Apple being a $3T corporation that is widely beloved and did it all on the back of a fiercely guarded walled garden.

The difference is I feel Apple's walls protect me as well as their profits. I do not feel the same about Amazon/Microsoft/Meta/Google.

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Post by sithadmin »

Liquix wrote: post #54
dakial1 wrote: post #34

Point #1: This bait-and-switch tactic shouldn't be allowed by consumer regulations (Not in the US, but here in Brazil it would be a no-no) as in the end Amazon is tricking it's use base into paying for the Fire TV as a great deal, when in the end they will pay more for streaming as those costs that Amazon is putting on the streaming services will be paid by them in the end. #2 Wouldn't this movement be (potentially)…

Plex Inc. is not a good company. They are eager to collect and sell your data to advertisers. Jellyfin is a great alternative. Plex may share Collected Information as expressly set forth in this Privacy Policy, including the following limited situations: [...] With third parties to improve and deliver advertising to you on our behalf. Plex may also use third-party advertising companies to serve ads, which may, direct…

As lousy as Plex (both the company and the product) have become, there really aren't alternatives with feature-parity available. Jellyfin is starting to get there in terms of basic media center functionality, but still faces stability and platform compatibility issues that have been long-solved by Plex. Jellyfin also lags behind in ecosystem support/integration for those of us operating media servers with heavy amounts of automation and dependencies on workflows executed by 3rd party packages.

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Post by jfim »

paul7986 wrote: post #57
dakial1 wrote: post #34

Point #1: This bait-and-switch tactic shouldn't be allowed by consumer regulations (Not in the US, but here in Brazil it would be a no-no) as in the end Amazon is tricking it's use base into paying for the Fire TV as a great deal, when in the end they will pay more for streaming as those costs that Amazon is putting on the streaming services will be paid by them in the end. #2 Wouldn't this movement be (potentially)…

Umm no need to pay for many or any streaming service then that consumer problem is solved just watch the free outlets like YouTube. Hollywood's biggest competitor is content creators on Youtube, Tiktok, etc ... my bet is they will need to compete and many paid offerings will consolidate and become free / less expensive to compete with all the free content creators on YouTube, Tiktok and etc. If you look at where the…

I'm not convinced that Hollywood really competes with TikTok. Going out for a movie date sounds a lot more interesting than "let's go flop on the couch and watch TikTok/YouTube all evening."

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Post by kccqzy »

HWR_14 wrote: post #63
Workaccount2 wrote: post #33

The trickle down effects of Apple being a $3T corporation that is widely beloved and did it all on the back of a fiercely guarded walled garden.

The difference is I feel Apple's walls protect me as well as their profits. I do not feel the same about Amazon/Microsoft/Meta/Google.

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Re: Amazon requires services on Fire TV to give it 30% of ad impressions or revenue

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Post by nijave »

paul7986 wrote: post #57
dakial1 wrote: post #34

Point #1: This bait-and-switch tactic shouldn't be allowed by consumer regulations (Not in the US, but here in Brazil it would be a no-no) as in the end Amazon is tricking it's use base into paying for the Fire TV as a great deal, when in the end they will pay more for streaming as those costs that Amazon is putting on the streaming services will be paid by them in the end. #2 Wouldn't this movement be (potentially)…

Umm no need to pay for many or any streaming service then that consumer problem is solved just watch the free outlets like YouTube. Hollywood's biggest competitor is content creators on Youtube, Tiktok, etc ... my bet is they will need to compete and many paid offerings will consolidate and become free / less expensive to compete with all the free content creators on YouTube, Tiktok and etc. If you look at where the…

It might be channel specific on YouTube but on one particular channel I think I've had as many as 3 ad breaks for a 10-15 minute video.

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Post by jyxent »

Arrath wrote: post #55
michaelmior wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AFAIK, Google TV isn't.

https://www.sony.com/electronics/support/articles/00279895 Maybe there's a difference between Google TV and an Android TV, but my partner's dad can't buy/rent stuff on Prime Video through his tv, he has to use another device and then can watch it on his tv. He finds it very irksome, to say the least. My understanding is that this came around by Google insisting on the 30% cut of purchases made in the Prime Video app…

I think that is a slightly different issue. Google and Apple charge a percentage for any purchases made on their app stores.

The equivalent here would be Prime offering a free ad-supported channel and Google requiring them to hand over a percentage of their ad revenue for the channel.

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Post by foobarian »

nikodunk wrote: post #4

I have 7 HDMI slots on my TV, ready for Peacock Stick, Hulu Disney Plus stick, Netflix Stick, Paramount Plus stick, Max Hub etc etc Not more than seven though mmmkay?

Not sure if you're joking or not but already content is being filtered based on the client device. In my case of an Xfinity Flex TV box Plex refuses to play self-hosted content, and Amazon's app has restrictions on nested subscriptions.
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