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Paperlike Color: Color E-Ink Monitor

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Re: Paperlike Color: Color E-Ink Monitor

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Post by mdp2021 »

nashashmi wrote: post #14
bovermyer wrote: post #4

I'm curious about the refresh rate. From the video, it appears to be fast for an e-ink display. However, it still seems to be slower than what I'd be comfortable watching a video with. The other thing I'm curious about is the manufacturer. They seem to have a black-and-white version already available. Has anyone ever tried it?

I cannot understand the fascination behind seeing e-ink displays play video. The tech is a "display once, use forever" kind of display. Otoh, video needs bright vivid screens, gaming level quality. Quite the opposite of what a "display once use forever" tech would be suitable for.

Because you want to see content for its effect.

Others may want to use content for its information.

And different video effects are optimal for different environments (e.g. lightning).

Re: Paperlike Color: Color E-Ink Monitor

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Post by mdp2021 »

chrisco255 wrote: post #58
scandum wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's likely a market for office workers since there's a significant reduction of stress on the eyes. You'd save about 0.5 kwh a day in electricity, more if the AC is running. So I could see them becoming popular once the price comes down. People who run 2 monitors might be interested as well.

There is a significant reduction in color depth and refresh rate, plus a need to provide external lighting to make up for the lack of built-in lighting, which, depending on the office environment may cancel out any power savings.

> lack of built-in lighting

That depends on the environment. Natural light fights against the functioning of light-emitting displays. Reflective displays cooperate with natural light.

You in the dark? Use OLED. Under the sun? Use EPD.

Re: Paperlike Color: Color E-Ink Monitor

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Post by mdp2021 »

jsheard wrote: post #54
otachack wrote: post #37

This is really cool. It does make me miss the Pebble watch though as they dove into color e-ink for certain models as well. They seemed way ahead of the time and it's such a shame they couldn't make it through.

The Pebble wasn't e-ink, it used a transflective memory LCD which they branded as "e-paper". Garmin still makes smartwatches using that technology.

> memory LCD

Interesting: ~5μW .. ~100μW.

https://displaylogic.com/products-and-services/memory-lcd/

Re: Paperlike Color: Color E-Ink Monitor

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Post by mdp2021 »

sydon wrote: post #49
packetlost wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, paging can be a little slow. I use mine for reading through PDFs and it's fine for the most part. I think it might partially be poorly optimized software, not necessarily the screen, but who knows.

I definitely wonder, the build is quite slim, I don't think the tech inside is that impressive.

> impressive

If electrophoretic displays were trivial to make, we would not be still developing the technology.

Re: Paperlike Color: Color E-Ink Monitor

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Post by packetlost »

rockostrich wrote: post #51
packetlost wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One of my coworkers has the grayscale version of that. The refresh rate goes up to maybe 20Hz on "fast mode" which sacrifices quality for speed. It looks pretty good regardless, but IMO the real benefit of these screens is in consuming long-form text content. My ReMarkable 2 has a perfectly fine refresh rate, especially for writing/drawing. Is yours the first gen maybe?

> IMO the real benefit of these screens is in consuming long-form text content. Hard disagree. E-readers already do this and are 2 orders of magnitude cheaper. Long-form text content barely need 1 Hz refresh rates. The real benefit of these screens is being able to use a computer without the associated eye-strain. Most jobs that involve looking at a screen all-day don't really require high refresh rate screens. The m…

> This is a huge game changer for the vast majority of folks on HN that are looking at a terminal, text editor, or docs for 90% of their day.

Hard disagree. Unless you're not typing all that much and particularly insensitive to input latency, you're not going to want to do too much typing on these. I know I couldn't stand it.

Re: Paperlike Color: Color E-Ink Monitor

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Post by mdp2021 »

Do not miss an important detail: it is Kaleido.

It means, it uses an overlaid colour filter matrix (RGBW, if I remember correctly). This allows for the comparatively high refresh rates of B/W EPD, but it is B/W EPD with a semi-transparent multi-tinted layer on top, which obviously impacts the brightness.

(The alternative would be multi-pigmented EPD cells - "Advanced Color E-Paper"... Which suffers from dramatically low refresh rate.)

Re: Paperlike Color: Color E-Ink Monitor

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Post by chaosprint »

I owned lots of E-ink devices. I got a Boox Mira 13 inch screen and it works well on both Mac/Windows. On Windows I can even have some touchscreen interaction. But I have to warn you!!!! that your mouse is not going to work as it feels very different. So I use it only to read news, reply emails and messages. Coding, video, and gaming would be impossible!

The same thing would 100% go to this new display.

I have also got a Boox X 13 inch tablet. I was choosing between this and Boox Ultra C which is a coloured one. But then I decide the screen size is more important than the color, the the Boox X 13 inch is much lighter! It's fantastic to read HN news and PDF every day with it.

I once ordered ReMarkable 2 but the experience was a disaster. The PDF is rendered as picture. I couldn't believe it! Basically unusable even if it's free to get one.

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