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Re: “We are not cheating” (YH Kwon superconductor comments)

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Post by cmrdporcupine »

unnouinceput wrote: post #60
cmrdporcupine wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That # depends on if you count eastern front WWII casualties (& related civilian deaths via famine etc) in the total, and if you consider them Hitler or Stalin's "fault."

You do know that Stalin lived after 2nd WW almost a decade, yes? And you do know that the entire Eastern Europe was under the heavy boot of red plague, yes? Do you think that "oh, after WW2 Stalin never caused any more deaths, purges, famine, and became such a good boy"? I suggest you read about communist plagues caused by his regime after WW2, not just before or during.

I'm not sure what you're on about, I never implied any of what you just said, and your tone is entirely inappropriate for this forum. I suggest you go read the HN guidelines (again?). This isn't Reddit.

In particular:

"Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith."

and

"When disagreeing, please reply to the argument instead of calling names"

Nothing in my comment said anything about the post-war period or implied any positive interpretation of Stalin or in fact the direction of the totals at all.

I kindly ask that you consider your interactions here more carefully.

Re: “We are not cheating” (YH Kwon superconductor comments)

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Post by Riledcat »

oxfordmale wrote: post #33
mabbo wrote: post #31

Whether or not it's truly what they claim it is, it does seem the scientists believe what they are claiming. No one spends this much effort trying to get their name associated with a discovery that they know is a fraud.

The cold fusion scandal shows scientists sometimes do fool themselves into believing their own claims, even when lacking rigorous scientific evidence. Maybe they just have discovered an material with interesting electric properties rather than a super conductor. Time will tell. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_fusion

Ning Li’s superconductor anti-gravity claims are another good comparison. Very senior scientist, big claims, no repeatable results by any other teams. 30 years on and still no antigravity effect.

Re: “We are not cheating” (YH Kwon superconductor comments)

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Post by 46Bit »

techdragon wrote: post #48
mhb wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How many samples do you think they have?

This is fundamentally the major problem. It’s obvious there’s a limited number of samples and they potentially don’t feel like they have a complete grasp on how to reliably produce more using their current level of knowledge regarding the process they used to create the first one… sometimes science involves luck. They have been working on this for years, I can completely believe a non-trivial portion of that time was…

I hear what you're saying, but it's not like the sample would need hand couriering a great distance. They're in Seoul, home to a large number of universities [1]. If the discovery is real then I'd hope another university there validates it soon.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_universities_and_colle...

Re: “We are not cheating” (YH Kwon superconductor comments)

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Post by nemo44x »

oxfordmale wrote: post #24
luca_null wrote: post #3

I can't believe that the most important discovery of my lifetime is surrounded by this cloud of uncertainty. At the same time, having watched Oppenheimer recently, when humanity discovered how to split the atom was chaotic too and met with a lot of scepticism. I guess that's how we work as humans.

I recently saw a documentary on the science teams that published the first image of a black hole. A lot of due diligence went into confirming their approach was sound, as getting it wrong would destroy their reputation. In this case, the challenge is that these are relatively unknown scientists, from a relatively unknown lab. Of course their findings can be genuine, but we need to wait until it has been replicated. O…

Limited samples and the ones they have are extremely impure could be a reason. There’s super conductivity in them but method to make them is unrefined.

Re: “We are not cheating” (YH Kwon superconductor comments)

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Post by nemo44x »

cmrdporcupine wrote: post #61
unnouinceput wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You do know that Stalin lived after 2nd WW almost a decade, yes? And you do know that the entire Eastern Europe was under the heavy boot of red plague, yes? Do you think that "oh, after WW2 Stalin never caused any more deaths, purges, famine, and became such a good boy"? I suggest you read about communist plagues caused by his regime after WW2, not just before or during.

I'm not sure what you're on about, I never implied any of what you just said, and your tone is entirely inappropriate for this forum. I suggest you go read the HN guidelines (again?). This isn't Reddit. In particular: "Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith." and "When disagreeing, please reply to the argument inste…

Maybe he’s upset because you minimized and even tried to blame others for the tyranny that communism has plagued the world with? That you somehow did not consider the decades after the war where communists murdered 10s of millions of innocent people.

I can imagine someone being offended by that in the same way someone making excuses for the nazis would be offensive.

Re: “We are not cheating” (YH Kwon superconductor comments)

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Post by cmrdporcupine »

nemo44x wrote: post #65
cmrdporcupine wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure what you're on about, I never implied any of what you just said, and your tone is entirely inappropriate for this forum. I suggest you go read the HN guidelines (again?). This isn't Reddit. In particular: "Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith." and "When disagreeing, please reply to the argument inste…

Maybe he’s upset because you minimized and even tried to blame others for the tyranny that communism has plagued the world with? That you somehow did not consider the decades after the war where communists murdered 10s of millions of innocent people. I can imagine someone being offended by that in the same way someone making excuses for the nazis would be offensive.

I never did either of those things. Not a single word to that effect.

Re: “We are not cheating” (YH Kwon superconductor comments)

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Post by unnouinceput »

cmrdporcupine wrote: post #66
nemo44x wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe he’s upset because you minimized and even tried to blame others for the tyranny that communism has plagued the world with? That you somehow did not consider the decades after the war where communists murdered 10s of millions of innocent people. I can imagine someone being offended by that in the same way someone making excuses for the nazis would be offensive.

I never did either of those things. Not a single word to that effect.

We started counting the XXth century biggest criminals, yes? And you simply stopped at WW2 because that's when Hitler (allegedly) died, yes? While I was counting the entirety of that century for the whole of those criminals life.

And I see this all the time on HN. Somebody responds to my comments just to be argumentative for the sake of it when I reply, despite me just making a simple comment. And then when I take their reply seriously and respond with proven facts they go with "oh HN rules and conduct bla bla". Well, maybe next time check the facts first, then be argumentative.

That was as a general idea. Now, personally, for this subject here, me living in an Eastern Europe country, having witnessed the horrors of communists, and fully know that Russia/USSR's Iron Curtain was just modern slavery where they (the red plague) pillaged and took all our countries resources and shipped them to Kremlin (hence why in the beginning of space race USSR was head to head with US) making them rich and the rest of us poorer, when somebody like you dismisses those facts I get to a boiling point.

Also, while on this subject, you can see that effect today. Everybody on the Eastern Europe/former Soviet Bloc countries hates Russia and why we simply took Ukrainian refugees in our homes without our still corrupt governments moving a finger at first. That's why we keep donating to Ukraine's war effort. Because a dismantled Russia is our only chance to have peace in Europe. And this is what Russians and Putin don't understand about us. We simply do not want another half a century of pillaging from them. And this is why Stalin vs Hitler body count are not similar. Both are bad, but Stalin was way worse.

Re: “We are not cheating” (YH Kwon superconductor comments)

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Post by cmrdporcupine »

unnouinceput wrote: post #67
cmrdporcupine wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I never did either of those things. Not a single word to that effect.

We started counting the XXth century biggest criminals, yes? And you simply stopped at WW2 because that's when Hitler (allegedly) died, yes? While I was counting the entirety of that century for the whole of those criminals life. And I see this all the time on HN. Somebody responds to my comments just to be argumentative for the sake of it when I reply, despite me just making a simple comment. And then when I take th…

Again, you've just mischaracterized my comment, and appear to be imagining an argument and disagreement where there really was none, and then using that as a rather negative platform.

I feel no need to engage with you further, it's not an honest discussion, you're just making strawmen.

Re: “We are not cheating” (YH Kwon superconductor comments)

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Post by ble378 »

resolutebat wrote: post #20
notRobot wrote: post #18

I'm out of the loop, can someone please provide ELI5ed context for this?

Korean scientists announce room-temperature superconductor. Ridiculous amounts of squabbling over who invented it immediately ensue, even though the jury's still out on whether it even works. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LK-99 The part I don't understand is why they don't just FedEx a sample of the stuff to another lab, so they could replicate the results immediately.

Bc that's not how independent scientific verification works. Other labs need to replicate it themselves to avoid/reduce any bias from the original experiment.
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