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GNU Boot sent a cease and desist to Libreboot

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Re: GNU Boot sent a cease and desist to Libreboot

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Post by evasb »

whstl wrote: post #52
evasb wrote: post #28

Isn't Leah the person that sold ThinkPads on behalf of Libreboot, didn't send it, then put the blame on her mental issues? Then she abandoned the project and let the contributors take over, after some time she booted them with fake accusations, banned them from their IRC channel and took over the project. The contributors complained that she didn't even have the decency of contacting them, but she was adamant of taki…

That doesn't seem to be factual. The people involved in Libreboot.at / GNU Boot are Adrien Bourmault and Denis Carikli, and the whole Libreboot.at / GNU Boot forks started in 2023. They don't seem to be the people that were booted in 2021, which are Andrew Robbins and Sebastian Grzywna – http://andrewrobbins.info/libreboot.html Unless Leah managed to abandon the project in 2021-2022, give it to Adrien/Denis to mainta…

Your context is important and I said what I remembered that happened in that time. LukeShu also corrected my comment more extensively.

Re: GNU Boot sent a cease and desist to Libreboot

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Post by hug »

evasb wrote: post #59
LukeShu wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Isn't Leah the person that sold ThinkPads on behalf of Libreboot No: She sold librebooted laptops under the brand "gluglug" and later "minifree". This was never "on behalf of Libreboot"; it was always separate. > didn't send it, then put the blame on her mental issues? Yes, mostly: in 2020 minifree accumulated a backlog of orders that she wasn't able to fulfill. However, AFAIK, she did eventually ship all those ord…

Thanks for correcting me!

You may wish to disclaim yourself in a similar way on the other comments you made across the thread.

Re: GNU Boot sent a cease and desist to Libreboot

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Post by xmonkee »

evasb wrote: post #59
LukeShu wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Isn't Leah the person that sold ThinkPads on behalf of Libreboot No: She sold librebooted laptops under the brand "gluglug" and later "minifree". This was never "on behalf of Libreboot"; it was always separate. > didn't send it, then put the blame on her mental issues? Yes, mostly: in 2020 minifree accumulated a backlog of orders that she wasn't able to fulfill. However, AFAIK, she did eventually ship all those ord…

Thanks for correcting me!

Maybe edit your original comment saying that it's not factual?

Re: GNU Boot sent a cease and desist to Libreboot

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Post by OO000oo »

zeroCalories wrote: post #16
OO000oo wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I also suspect that these strong characters are why the movement hasn't been completedo taken over by corporate interests They already serve 99% of corporate interests. A "takeover" would sacrifice the veil of what the propagandized "open source community" interprets as corporate egalitarianism.

If you make no distinction between free software and open source, sure. But the free software community, centered around fsf, is known to be hard to work with.

Sadly, that difficulty is practically the only difference in the distinction. Each share the same crippling shortcomings: those of capitalism itself.

Re: GNU Boot sent a cease and desist to Libreboot

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Post by djbusby »

LukeShu wrote: post #54
evasb wrote: post #28

Isn't Leah the person that sold ThinkPads on behalf of Libreboot, didn't send it, then put the blame on her mental issues? Then she abandoned the project and let the contributors take over, after some time she booted them with fake accusations, banned them from their IRC channel and took over the project. The contributors complained that she didn't even have the decency of contacting them, but she was adamant of taki…

> Isn't Leah the person that sold ThinkPads on behalf of Libreboot No: She sold librebooted laptops under the brand "gluglug" and later "minifree". This was never "on behalf of Libreboot"; it was always separate. > didn't send it, then put the blame on her mental issues? Yes, mostly: in 2020 minifree accumulated a backlog of orders that she wasn't able to fulfill. However, AFAIK, she did eventually ship all those ord…

RYF: Respect your Freedom

FSDG: Free System Distribution Guidelines

Re: GNU Boot sent a cease and desist to Libreboot

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Post by slabity »

torstenvl wrote: post #32
slabity wrote: post #24

> I did this release for them Did I miss something? Over the past 7 years the Libreboot project has been extremely aggressive towards the FSF. Going so far as to say the GNU project shouldn't exist and throwing insults at individuals in the organization. The emphasis on the whole, "I did this release for them" honestly doesn't pass the sniff test and kind of feels like they're intentionally trying to create drama. Th…

No. The better question is, why didn't FSF contact Leah before trying to publish their own Libreboot releases at libreboot.at? Why did they try to impersonate Libreboot? Whatever you may think of Leah publishing an unofficial GNU Boot release for them to rebase off of, she didn't try to impersonate them by buying a confusingly similar domain. Compare her single reference to an "unofficial GNUBoot release" to this: ht…

> No. The better question is, why didn't FSF contact Leah before trying to publish their own Libreboot releases at libreboot.at? Why did they try to impersonate Libreboot?

That's not a better question at all. They list out their explicit reasoning for their attempted name takeover. I definitely don't agree with it, but I have no reason to believe that they're lying about their own beliefs.

I absolutely do have reason to doubt Leah's words of releasing GNU Boot as being in good faith though. Their history of drama with them is the reason for my doubt.

In terms of practicality, I feel like a better reaction would have been to either trademark their project name or maintain a separate fork of Libreboot that would include the binary blobs. Why resort to trademark infringement?

Re: GNU Boot sent a cease and desist to Libreboot

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Post by LukeShu »

djbusby wrote: post #65
LukeShu wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Isn't Leah the person that sold ThinkPads on behalf of Libreboot No: She sold librebooted laptops under the brand "gluglug" and later "minifree". This was never "on behalf of Libreboot"; it was always separate. > didn't send it, then put the blame on her mental issues? Yes, mostly: in 2020 minifree accumulated a backlog of orders that she wasn't able to fulfill. However, AFAIK, she did eventually ship all those ord…

RYF: Respect your Freedom FSDG: Free System Distribution Guidelines

With links:

RYF: Respects Your Freedom certification requirements: https://ryf.fsf.org/about/criteria

FSDG: Free Software Distribution Guidelines: https://www.gnu.org/distros/free-system-distribution-guideli...

An argument from Leah/Libreboot about why the RYF/FSDG's policies about firmware and microcode are bad: https://libreboot.org/news/policy.html

Re: GNU Boot sent a cease and desist to Libreboot

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Post by themerone »

EgregiousCube wrote: post #22
chrismsimpson wrote: post #12

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GNU is somewhere between a non-profit software outfit and a cult in a way that is greater than either. I don't agree with all of the positions that GNU takes in specific, but in aggregate I think the movement has been a huge force for good because of its cultlike unbending adherence to its philosophy. It would be bad if GNU stomped out all other philosophies of developing software and products, because it would remov…

It would be bad if GNU stomped out all other philosophies of developing software

But this is the aim of the FSF, they clearly believe that all software should be copyleft.

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