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Climate records tumble, leaving Earth in uncharted territory – scientists

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Re: Climate records tumble, leaving Earth in uncharted territory – scientists

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Post by psychphysic »

No one is really interested in doing the work to slow global warming.

- Build nuclear power plants everywhere. Yes even in countries like Iran and North Korea

- Don't subsidize fossil fuel use by any mechanism. Yes dropping the Russian fuel cap.

- Make reducing emissions a priority that means it comes first in consideration. Yes ahead of Uighurs in China, Women in Iran and Afghanistan.

You will not get everything you want.

But if you believe climate change is civilization ending then you need to give up what you don't need.

Just Stop Oil is super obnoxious but if climate change is destroying our planet why is it they still get openly assaulted in the street in a "first world" country? It's because people aren't even willing to be late to the cinema.

Re: Climate records tumble, leaving Earth in uncharted territory – scientists

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Post by h0l0cube »

ndsipa_pomu wrote: post #27
H8crilA wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What can't you imagine remaining the same?

Successful food harvests

It’s not just food security, but also water security. Rainfall patterns are set to change globally, with more frequent and increasingly severe droughts and floods. It doesn’t look good for the world’s biggest economy either

https://svs.gsfc.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/details.cgi?aid=4028

Re: Climate records tumble, leaving Earth in uncharted territory – scientists

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Post by jgilias »

uxcolumbo wrote: post #48
jgilias wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Individual decisions like that are only good for making yourself feel good about doing something, but it’s close to meaningless when it comes to actually solving it. It’s systemic solutions that are needed. Some of those may include disincentivizing consumption. But it’s also not simple given that in many places there’s serious pushback against that. And also the economic cost. Everything is interwoven. I wish people…

This study[0] and several other studies by UN, Oxford Uni etc disagree with you. The single best thing an individual can do is immensely reduce or completely avoid meat and dairy. Imagine millions and millions of people doing this, behavioural change will trigger system’s change. It’s something we can do today, just need to decide whether having a burger is more important or not. [0] https://www.nature.com/articles/s…

The URL is not working, can you update it?

The study probably explores what would happen if _everyone_ did that. And that’s the issue right there. Everyone casts a wide net, it includes climate deniers, poor people, rich people, hard core dairy aficionados, etc, etc. The single most important thing an individual can do is inducing systemic change in one way or another. Preferably somehow avoiding alienating the bulk of the audience, as that may end up with people in power who actively undermine any efforts towards solving the situation.

Re: Climate records tumble, leaving Earth in uncharted territory – scientists

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Post by anonzzzies »

psychphysic wrote: post #61

No one is really interested in doing the work to slow global warming. - Build nuclear power plants everywhere . Yes even in countries like Iran and North Korea - Don't subsidize fossil fuel use by any mechanism. Yes dropping the Russian fuel cap. - Make reducing emissions a priority that means it comes first in consideration. Yes ahead of Uighurs in China, Women in Iran and Afghanistan. You will not get everything yo…

Stop cutting trees and turning forests (rain or otherwise) into Savanna's. 'For agriculture'.

Re: Climate records tumble, leaving Earth in uncharted territory – scientists

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Post by plasticman1 »

defrost wrote: post #46
RagnarD wrote: post #41

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Leaving aside the small matter of your entire take here being utterly wrong, there's this: > Even since the last ice age, within the existence of humanity, seas have risen 120 METERS. It had absolutely nothing to do with human activity. Do, seriously, check your sources. Now, go to the actual papers they cite. Now read them very very carefully. Do they actually say that global sea level changed by hundreds of metres?…

Actually everything he wrote has merit.

However your response is extremely condescending, and doesn't help your cause, if in fact you care about climate change. You sound like a climate zealot who downvotes someone if they disagree with you.

Re: Climate records tumble, leaving Earth in uncharted territory – scientists

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Post by defrost »

Animats wrote: post #56

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It's not clear why you would post that but it's certainly worth pointing out that climate change denialism has been funded since the mid 1970s and that the author of that opinion piece is Art Robinson, a recent Oregon State Senator and long time denier via his "Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine".

While it adds nothing to the history of actual earth based science it is certainly an insight into the history climate change denialism.

Above link in full: https://archive.is/qYWfn#selection-2095.58-2095.99

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Art_Robinson

https://www.desmog.com/oregon-institute-science-and-medicine

Re: Climate records tumble, leaving Earth in uncharted territory – scientists

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Post by croes »

danjac wrote: post #58
croes wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nuclear is only an intermediate solution but many treat like the final one. It isn't helpful averting one problem to create another one.

If you are wandering the desert, dying of thirst, and you find a bottle of Coke, you should probably drink it and not worry too much about getting diabetes.

What about a bottle with Vibrio cholerae?
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