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Re: India’s sex workers turn to WhatsApp, Instagram to find clients safely

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Post by mptest »

AlecSchueler wrote: post #57
JohnFen wrote: post #14

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I think that how harmful it is depends on the society in which it takes place. I mean, everyone who works is a prostitute in the more abstract sense. We are all renting the use of our bodies for money. The only difference between me and a sex worker is that I'm renting my body to someone to be used toward a different purpose.

You don't see a difference in your body being the actual product?

Your body is always the product, that's the point. You're selling your body (the product) to a company or directly to the consumer.

Re: India’s sex workers turn to WhatsApp, Instagram to find clients safely

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Post by ilyt »

candiodari wrote: post #34
ilyt wrote: post #22

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Well, one day kid will want to know where you work and what you do and you can't lie forever. Especially if somehow they learn early or other kids will. But yeah there is plenty of worse things that can happen.

I hate that people have a purely punitive approach to this. They get to feel puritan with a semi-reasonable argument: sex work damages others! It damages children! And, for that they get to do anything, because now they want to "help children", and not what they're really doing, using violence against children to attempt to impose their own moral values on the world. What they're really doing ... that sounds a bit ba…

I didn't say it damages anything; I said it will be pretty hard talk to have and hard to manage situation, especially if it somehow leaks to the other kids, kids are cruel. And things that are hard can go bad easily.

"But the other job earning less money would be worse for kid!" is extremely one-dimensional view on that

And I'm not sure how your weird rant about child services is even related to that

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Post by ilyt »

blamarvt wrote: post #35
ilyt wrote: post #22

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Well, one day kid will want to know where you work and what you do and you can't lie forever. Especially if somehow they learn early or other kids will. But yeah there is plenty of worse things that can happen.

What’s wrong with the truth?

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Re: India’s sex workers turn to WhatsApp, Instagram to find clients safely

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Post by postmortembees »

ilyt wrote: post #22
postmortembees wrote: post #12

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Why, why would you say that? Parent leaves for work, parent comes home from work with income. Is it because sex work is dangerous? So is fishing, and pizza delivery, and construction. Is it because sex work wears down your body? Plenty of general contractors, nurses, and landscapers have jobs that are more physically demanding. I genuinely do not see how, if someone has a reasonable separation of work/home, it would…

Well, one day kid will want to know where you work and what you do and you can't lie forever. Especially if somehow they learn early or other kids will. But yeah there is plenty of worse things that can happen.

Someday I had to tell my kid that people have two mommies and some people have two daddies, and you know what? It was fine. You can abstract it for a kid until they are old enough to understand.

Re: India’s sex workers turn to WhatsApp, Instagram to find clients safely

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Post by postmortembees »

ilyt wrote: post #63
blamarvt wrote: post #35

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What’s wrong with the truth?

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You can abstract it. My mommy is a dancer, or my mommy is an actor and she does shows for one grownup at a time.

It's really not difficult to find a true statement that is also not the whole truth. It's not like my kid understands what I do for a living beyond the company name I work for. Abstraction is fine and normal.

Re: India’s sex workers turn to WhatsApp, Instagram to find clients safely

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Post by postmortembees »

_8j50 wrote: post #39
postmortembees wrote: post #12

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Why, why would you say that? Parent leaves for work, parent comes home from work with income. Is it because sex work is dangerous? So is fishing, and pizza delivery, and construction. Is it because sex work wears down your body? Plenty of general contractors, nurses, and landscapers have jobs that are more physically demanding. I genuinely do not see how, if someone has a reasonable separation of work/home, it would…

The idea that the person who gave birth to you is being used to pleasure random men for money is psychologically traumatizing because every child treasures and looks up to their parents (or wants to). Their life and identitiy is intertwined with yours and their decision or vicitimization is also by extension affecting you. You want your parents to be valued and respected. You would think sex for money is valuing but…

>If that doesn't make sense to you, I suggest taking off the ideological glasses.

You might want to check and see who is wearing the ideological glasses. You are the one who has the hangup here.

Sex is. People enjoy sex. People can enjoy sex with close intimate partners or flings. People can enjoy sex or perform it for money. Not all sex work is penetrative either.

You've got a narrow and restrictive view of the world.

Re: India’s sex workers turn to WhatsApp, Instagram to find clients safely

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Post by candiodari »

ilyt wrote: post #62
candiodari wrote: post #34

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I hate that people have a purely punitive approach to this. They get to feel puritan with a semi-reasonable argument: sex work damages others! It damages children! And, for that they get to do anything, because now they want to "help children", and not what they're really doing, using violence against children to attempt to impose their own moral values on the world. What they're really doing ... that sounds a bit ba…

I didn't say it damages anything; I said it will be pretty hard talk to have and hard to manage situation, especially if it somehow leaks to the other kids, kids are cruel. And things that are hard can go bad easily. "But the other job earning less money would be worse for kid!" is extremely one-dimensional view on that And I'm not sure how your weird rant about child services is even related to that

> And I'm not sure how your weird rant about child services is even related to that

That's the only alternative you/society offers for these children. So that's what you should compare to. I get that you don't want to do that, because it totally demolishes your argument, but it still is the only alternative.

Re: India’s sex workers turn to WhatsApp, Instagram to find clients safely

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Post by ilyt »

postmortembees wrote: post #65
ilyt wrote: post #63

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You can abstract it. My mommy is a dancer, or my mommy is an actor and she does shows for one grownup at a time. It's really not difficult to find a true statement that is also not the whole truth. It's not like my kid understands what I do for a living beyond the company name I work for. Abstraction is fine and normal.

Well, he asked for truth, not lying. What you're doing is lying. Which can be fine but let's not invent new names for lying, it already has enough of them.

Re: India’s sex workers turn to WhatsApp, Instagram to find clients safely

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Post by postmortembees »

ilyt wrote: post #69
postmortembees wrote: post #65

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You can abstract it. My mommy is a dancer, or my mommy is an actor and she does shows for one grownup at a time. It's really not difficult to find a true statement that is also not the whole truth. It's not like my kid understands what I do for a living beyond the company name I work for. Abstraction is fine and normal.

Well, he asked for truth, not lying. What you're doing is lying. Which can be fine but let's not invent new names for lying, it already has enough of them.

It's not lying.

Am I lying to my kid when I say I "work with computers"? No, it's an abstraction. My 8 year old doesn't need to understand what a datacenter is, but just because I elide details doesn't mean I'm lying to them.

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