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Re: Bard’s latest update: more features, languages and countries

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Post by isoprophlex »

frankohn wrote: post #56

Just tried out Google Bard, now available in Europe, and I have to say, my first experience was rather disconcerting. I threw at it a relatively obscure question about an event in the third book of A Song of Ice and Fire series, involving characters Arya Stark and Sandor Clegane. To my surprise, Google Bard's response, while confident, was a bizarre mix of actual characters and situations from the book series, but th…

Don't bother trying their other models available in GCP either. Their embedding models and their un-RLHFd generic GPT analogues are miles behind the competition. It's incredible how bad google have dropped the ball on this.

We had some google people come in at $CORPO_DAYJOB the other day to sell their cloud offerings. The engineer had the gall to say "people ask me, why did google miss the boat on LLMs? I say people, we BUILT the boat". While referencing "attention is all you need". Hilarious coping strategy guys, but because you had some good academics on your payroll in 2017, that doesn't mean you're delivering right now... we'll talk when you actually have something better than 90% of the other LLM offerings out there.

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Post by swyx »

ajross wrote: post #54
aaomidi wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> So why come here to nitpick and pretend that someone told you it was perfect? They’re asking why is their own demos failing with new releases and asking for regression testing. That’s a completely fair criticism and I’m surprised you think this is nitpicking?

I thought the bug report was fine. No, they clearly were making an argument that you shouldn't use the product at all (strictly that you shouldn't "trust" the product) because of one bug report. And that's ridiculous, and cheapens the discourse (because it leads us down this road instead of into a discussion about how to implement "reasoning" features in a pattern-matching LLM).

> they clearly were making an argument that you shouldn't use the product at all

i did not write this, nor did i intend to imply it :) i have probably used bard more than 90% of people here. i actually know people on the bard team. i want a world with multiple SOTA AIs. this is my prod to keep them on their toes/i know google breaking things kind of a current theme anyway so i figured its of general interest. i think we all rooting for them to do better.

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Post by llm_nerd »

ipaddr wrote: post #58
llm_nerd wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google is in a very loud, very public fight with Canada about C-18. Canada has zero unique laws about LLMs, and actually has some of the weakest privacy laws among its peers. Canada is extremely pro corporate in this regards compared to the EU, for instance. Google opened BardGPT to everyone on the planet except for a few despotic governments....and Canada. Their stated reasoning was "regulatory uncertainty". That is…

Unrelated. Privacy laws are most likely reason

*WHAT PRIVACY LAWS*? Canada has incredibly weak, close to nonexistent privacy laws. Google didn't even claim what you're claiming, and instead cited "regulatory uncertainty", which is farcical. It's the same play oil companies do when they want their minions to declare that we should tax them less and give them more.

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Post by jabroni_salad »

oadster wrote: post #2

My ChatGPT and Bard use has pretty much flatlined. Has anyone else has a similar experience?

If you are trying to find some doodad in a videogame, bingbot is pretty good at parsing all the shitty blog posts and just telling you what you want. I may never visit fandom.com again.

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Post by heliophobicdude »

jug wrote: post #8
visarga wrote: post #6

I tried Bard and it feels worse than GPT-4, it doesn't follow the prompt very well. Uploading an invoice it failed to extract data, instead it responded with hallucinations.

Yes, I think it should be compared to GPT 3.5. Google doesn't really have a public contender to GPT 4 yet but this is what the Gemini project is intended to be, by the newly formed/reformed Google DeepMind team.

I'm really excited about Gemini. It's supposed to have some sort of planning and problem solving ability[2][3]. If it is like Tree of Thoughts [1], then I'm so hyped!

Also take a peek at which institution most of the ToT authors are at.

1: https://arxiv.org/pdf/2305.10601.pdf 2: https://blog.google/technology/ai/google-io-2023-keynote-sun... 3: https://www.wired.com/story/google-deepmind-demis-hassabis-c...

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Post by ipaddr »

llm_nerd wrote: post #41
canadiantim wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a Canadian I am glad that Google is taking this stand. If Canada succeeds in its current implementation of Bill C-18 it will absolutely destroy the revenue for media organizations in Canada rapidly accelerating the decline in journalism here. Not to mention the morales of taxing the free flow of information on the internet. So as a Canadian, THANK YOU GOOGLE!

>If Canada succeeds in its current implementation of Bill C-18 it will absolutely destroy the revenue for media organizations in Canada rapidly accelerating the decline in journalism here. Every media org is behind C-18. Even PostMedia, about as "right wing" as it gets here, is behind C-18. C-18 is complex. I have paid little attention to it as it isn't my field and I honestly don't care that much about it. But your…

Isn't Postmedia trying to merge or be purchased by Torstar?

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Post by earthboundkid »

CharlieDigital wrote: post #35
VBprogrammer wrote: post #25

I asked bard the other day about the prognosis for a 80 year old with a liver infection. It responded super confidently about a study which suggested the five year survival rate was about 50%. I asked it where I could find the study and sure enough it gave me a link to a study. It almost had me until I clicked on the link and realised the study had nothing to do with a liver infection!

We found similar issues with asking Bard for images. Bard generated Wikimedia links which look legit, but it's simply following the pattern of those URLs. When we loaded the links, they were all broken.

Ask ChatGPT to draw with ASCII art. It's very funny.

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Post by ChatGTP »

frankohn wrote: post #56

Just tried out Google Bard, now available in Europe, and I have to say, my first experience was rather disconcerting. I threw at it a relatively obscure question about an event in the third book of A Song of Ice and Fire series, involving characters Arya Stark and Sandor Clegane. To my surprise, Google Bard's response, while confident, was a bizarre mix of actual characters and situations from the book series, but th…

Question, do you think this has to do with copyrighted information being in the models ? I know you might not care but I wonder if Google is operating of accounts from the internet while OpenAI has actually ingested the books ?
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