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Did Airbnb kill the PM role?

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Re: Did Airbnb kill the PM role?

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As a superhost who use the Airbnb mobile app and website everyday, the experience is quite awful. Basic functions are not there, while the app already seems to be bloated. I'm wondering if any of the product manager there ever used their product.

Ever use the VRBO hosting app? Almost unusable. Sooo delayed on every button push. Horrible onboarding experience with no messages of what to expect. Can’t edit the property description from the app, have to use the website. The effing property description!!

Re: Did Airbnb kill the PM role?

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Everyone loves a boogieman. The reason rents are high are not because of short term rentals. They are high because of inflation and globalization.

Ironically, you cite some other boogeymen. They are high mostly because not enough housing is being built to meet demand.

> Ironically, you cite some other boogeymen

Inflation is a fact. Globalization is a fact. Money is flowing from the entire planet into the US to find stable places to store it.

Re: Did Airbnb kill the PM role?

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In high touristy areas you cannot buy a house at all at normal...ish prices, because buyers are overpaying a lot, becase they intend to rent it out via airbnb, so locals are getting pushed out of those areas. What's so wrong with houses and apartments being for locals and long-term stay, and tourists just staying in hotels?

If you are travelling as a single person or a couple hotels sure. As a family the hotel experience is really bad or out of reach price wise. I'm just about to go on a vacation and we looked into hotels vs airbnb quite extensively. We've got a teenager and 2 younger kids so we need 3 rooms. For the same as OK looking motel we can stay in a nice house with parking and a good size kitchen. I don't want to like AirBnb an…

>We've got a teenager and 2 younger kids so we need 3 rooms.

I'll preface this by saying that I don't have kids. But, from my experience travelling with my parents when I was a kid... you really don't "need" three rooms.

That maybe the expectations you have now, but using AirBnb is pushing the externalities of those expectations onto the community you are visiting.

Re: Did Airbnb kill the PM role?

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In high touristy areas you cannot buy a house at all at normal...ish prices, because buyers are overpaying a lot, becase they intend to rent it out via airbnb, so locals are getting pushed out of those areas. What's so wrong with houses and apartments being for locals and long-term stay, and tourists just staying in hotels?

If you are travelling as a single person or a couple hotels sure. As a family the hotel experience is really bad or out of reach price wise. I'm just about to go on a vacation and we looked into hotels vs airbnb quite extensively. We've got a teenager and 2 younger kids so we need 3 rooms. For the same as OK looking motel we can stay in a nice house with parking and a good size kitchen. I don't want to like AirBnb an…

> We've got a teenager and 2 younger kids so we need 3 rooms.

What? I've stayed 6 deep in a single room with two beds. Mom, dad, and us four siblings. And there's more than a decade between the kids. Three hotel rooms would have been an unimaginable luxury.

I'm firmly in the camp of piling the family into one room. There's no better way to bond.

Re: Did Airbnb kill the PM role?

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Apartments in residential buildings are well.. apartments, not hotels. If you're a tourist, go to a hotel, I don't want a new set of loud obnoxius neighbors partying every few days next door to my apartment (and a shared wall in between). The apartment that should be rented out at cheaper monthly rate is now getitng rented out to lud tourists per daily rates, and that is a bad thing for locals living in that city. So…

Why should you get a say about what your neighbor does with their property or what guests they have stay over?

Because it's an apartment building with shared space, shared resources and shared investments. If your neighbors plot is a residential plot, he cannot build a pig farm there or a nuclear power plant. If your neighbors apartment is an apartment, he cannot have a shooting range, a bar, a strip club or a hotel there. There's a difference between occasional guests and airBnB, the same as there is a difference between a friend who helps you fix your car vs someone who regulary fixes cars for money.

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> Even when I stay at a hotel I wipe down the sink and strip the bed before I leave. That's not normal.

Ok I guess I'm special then. It takes all of 20 seconds to wipe down the sink after I've picked up all my stuff, and maybe 10 seconds to strip the sheets. I mostly strip the sheets to make sure the next person gets a fresh set.

I've exclusively lived in hotels/corporate rentals for over 20 years and wipe the sinks/counters every day because I like clean sinks and counters.

and I strip the bed mainly in case one of my phones/chargers/earring is accidentally inside (beds make excellent auxiliary desks...)

as a surprising aside, during off-season housekeeping sometimes hate guests that are overly considerate, because they need the hours!

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At Microsoft many years ago, they used to put a lot of product design work on PMs (who didn't have the training or time / bandwidth to do that well). I think this was the Ballmer era...

Personally, I think a PM that doesn't have training / skills to do product design work is a glorified note-taker. I don't necessarily mean the implementation skills of "making screens", but arguably that skill is the easiest to obtain. Otherwise you end up with a weird division of labor, where the PM actually does all the creative design work and the designer is an implementation monkey, which I don't know any design…

Yep exactly what happened at Microsoft, hence Vista and all the other products that spilled out of Ballmer's tenure like trash out of an overturned dump truck

Re: Did Airbnb kill the PM role?

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If you are travelling as a single person or a couple hotels sure. As a family the hotel experience is really bad or out of reach price wise. I'm just about to go on a vacation and we looked into hotels vs airbnb quite extensively. We've got a teenager and 2 younger kids so we need 3 rooms. For the same as OK looking motel we can stay in a nice house with parking and a good size kitchen. I don't want to like AirBnb an…

> We've got a teenager and 2 younger kids so we need 3 rooms. What? I've stayed 6 deep in a single room with two beds. Mom, dad, and us four siblings. And there's more than a decade between the kids. Three hotel rooms would have been an unimaginable luxury. I'm firmly in the camp of piling the family into one room. There's no better way to bond.

Cool. You travel your way and the other poster can do it his way. Everyone has their own level of comfort that they would like to accept on vacation.

Re: Did Airbnb kill the PM role?

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Why should you get a say about what your neighbor does with their property or what guests they have stay over?

An apartment building is owned collectively and with that comes a set of rules. In most places you aren't allowed to be a nuisance, even though you own a share of the house you don't get to dictate or do whatever you want just because you own something. Your property is just a part of a larger property, respect others or get the fuck out. It's a pretty simple arrangement that one gets into when they purchase an apart…

Why do you assume that guests that stay over are a nuisance?
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