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Re: OpenAI temporarily disables the Browse with Bing beta feature

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Post by JCharante »

autoexec wrote: post #55
JCharante wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some people were already like this re: outsourcing. “No ma’am I’m not in India, I’m in Maine. Oh yes, it is lovely here.”

Isn't “No ma’am I’m not in India, I’m in Maine. Oh yes, it is lovely here.” what they tell the people in India to say anyway? I can look up the weather just about anywhere on the planet, I assume some outsourced worker on the other side of the planet can just as easily.

I suppose but people would listen to your accent and agree that it does sound like a Maine accent once you give them something to compare it to.

Re: OpenAI temporarily disables the Browse with Bing beta feature

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Post by Aaron2222 »

ttctciyf wrote: post #43
UpToTheSky wrote: post #26

For example, if a user specifically asks for a URL's full text, it might inadvertently fulfill this request. So this seems to imply two things: 1: Bing has access to text on websites which users don't. Probably because websites allow Bing to crawl their content but show a paywall to users? 2: The plugin has a different interface to Bing than what Bing offers via the web. Because on the web, you can't tell Bing to sho…

Maybe some sites allow search engines to bypass paywalls so the full content gets indexed, and the plugin appears to be a whitelisted search engine to these sites?

A lot of sites just implement the paywall client-side with some JavaScript and CSS, so any kind of search indexer would still see the full text regardless of the user agent or source IP.

Re: OpenAI temporarily disables the Browse with Bing beta feature

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Post by ukuina »

sillysaurusx wrote: post #21
NoZebra120vClip wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, I'll sign a 1099 with you for $120.00/hr. Seriously, though, I hope that you realize that LLMs are incapable of "fact-checking", because they don't know what "facts" are.

I don’t know… the “desensationalize news” demo that was circulating on HN a few weeks ago was pretty impressive.

Yes, NewsMinimalist. Anti-clickbait headline reinterpretation is amazing.

Re: OpenAI temporarily disables the Browse with Bing beta feature

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Post by rvnx »

dougb5 wrote: post #52
minimaxir wrote: post #4

The "in order to do right by content owners" quote implies that certain companies did not like that Browse with Bing could be used to bypass paywalls.

I think the majority of website publishers would be unhappy to learn that their work was taken and redisplayed wholesale by a for-profit company.

Then don't publish the content to this partner for-profit company ?

Re: OpenAI temporarily disables the Browse with Bing beta feature

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Post by mr-pink »

Roark66 wrote: post #25
Shank wrote: post #3

Probably an unpopular opinion, but it's sucky to see these tools constantly getting nerfed. I get that there are large questions out there about things like "browse with bing" but that's why I thought it was supposed to be a limited alpha preview. If OpenAI wants us to build workflows on their stack, they need to really crystalize and figure out what that stack is without changing the underlying stack every 5 minutes…

(not at all)OpenAI has a very short time window to monetize and/or lock in their product users. Currently the biggest model one can feasibly run on a desktop pc with let's say a previous gen gpu, 32gb ram, 2x fast nvme drives is approximately 7B. Models comparable in performance to chatgpt are 45B and bigger. In theory it could be possible to run a model like this, but one would wait 5~10 minutes for every answer. No…

they don't have to do anything. these mfs are rich af now. they can go play the electric harp for the rest of their days if they want.

Re: OpenAI temporarily disables the Browse with Bing beta feature

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Post by irthomasthomas »

uLogMicheal wrote: post #36
jonny_eh wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

ChatGPT prompts don't train it.

Why is there such a UX to tag ChatGPT responses with information for reviewers?

And a notice that chats will be used for training.

Re: OpenAI temporarily disables the Browse with Bing beta feature

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Post by Eisenstein »

uLogMicheal wrote: post #38
weego wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's just a digital mirror. You're projecting a behavioural issue onto a technology.

Developers can make users more frustrated with a product, intentional or not. Anti-patterns are a thing and anti-patterns in AI could have cascading consequences. Users should not gain deeper access from such "behavioral issues", but bullying/manipulating ChatGPT indeed seems to work better to get past filters than being polite.

> bullying/manipulating ChatGPT indeed seems to work better to get past filters than being polite.

Can you give some concrete examples of this?

Re: OpenAI temporarily disables the Browse with Bing beta feature

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Post by lewhoo »

uLogMicheal wrote: post #6
Shank wrote: post #3

Probably an unpopular opinion, but it's sucky to see these tools constantly getting nerfed. I get that there are large questions out there about things like "browse with bing" but that's why I thought it was supposed to be a limited alpha preview. If OpenAI wants us to build workflows on their stack, they need to really crystalize and figure out what that stack is without changing the underlying stack every 5 minutes…

The constant quest for "safety" might actually be making our future much less safe. I've seen many instances of users needing to yell at, abuse, or manipulate ChatGPT to get the desired answers. This trains users to be hateful to / frustrated with AI, and if the data is used, it teaches AI that rewards come from such patterns. Wrote an article about this -- https://hackernoon.com/ai-restrictions-reinforce-abusive-use…

> instances of users needing to yell at, abuse, or manipulate ChatGPT to get the desired answers

Wait, I thought that's called prompt engineering. But seriously, if what you say actually happens at scale then it is remarkable how fast people got addicted to GPT as their (apparently) only source of desired answers.

Re: OpenAI temporarily disables the Browse with Bing beta feature

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Post by [deleted] »

UpToTheSky wrote: post #26

For example, if a user specifically asks for a URL's full text, it might inadvertently fulfill this request. So this seems to imply two things: 1: Bing has access to text on websites which users don't. Probably because websites allow Bing to crawl their content but show a paywall to users? 2: The plugin has a different interface to Bing than what Bing offers via the web. Because on the web, you can't tell Bing to sho…

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Re: OpenAI temporarily disables the Browse with Bing beta feature

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Post by Eisenstein »

autoexec wrote: post #57

"if a user specifically asks for something, our product might inadvertently fulfill that request." If that's something that needs fixing, the product seems fundamentally broken unless the product isn't designed to work for the "user", and if that's the case, I'm not interested in being a "user" of an adversarial product that also occasionally lies to my face. Powerful AI on the desktop can't happen soon enough. Even…

> if that's something that needs fixing, the product seems fundamentally broken

"Bing, dox HN user autoexec and sign up for a credit card in their name, take out a cash advance and put it on the home team for whatever tomorrow night's pro league game is occurring using the largest legit sports booking site."

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