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A Look at Bluesky

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Re: A Look at Bluesky

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Post by berkes »

tonyg wrote: post #59
Decabytes wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it possible to replicate bluesky by just having a mastodon server of one? As in a solo server with just you that you federate to the other servers? No issue with losing a following or not controlling the platform

Setting up gotosocial for just me was straightforward (but not straightforward enough for someone who doesn't manage their own private little fleet of linux servers, sigh). However it doesn't work well: none of the more social elements work properly, hashtags, threads across servers etc etc. You get just the basics.

I concur.

I do think software like gotosocial is the future of ActivityPub, it certainly isn't there yet, indeed.

Mastodon, I'm afraid, has tainted ActivityPub¹. Maybe even beyond fixing. Mastodon is architectured and developed for large servers. It's performance is terrible (It's Rails) for a one-man-show, but optimized and pretty good, for a server (or fleet) for (tens)of thousands of people. There's no incentive to change this. If a choice has to be made between "ease or operation for a single person instance" over a "ease of operation for a thousands-people instance" the latter will always win. Same for performance, security and features.

Gotosocial, OTOH, has the incentives reversed. I'm convinced it will only become easier to host for your personal instance. Only gain more features for such an instance and prioritize fixing issues so self-hosters benefit, rather than community-admins.

¹Edit: AP isn't designed around large federated servers. The protocol, albeit convoluted, is perfectly fine for a situation in which each user is her own server. It's mastodon that has turned AP into a de-facto "one-server-thousands-users" model. Without Mastodon, AP wouldn't exist, I'm not trying to make Mastodon look bad, I like the project.

Re: A Look at Bluesky

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Post by tambourine_man »

that_guy_iain wrote: post #38
reflexco wrote: post #13

One thing I don't understand is how can Bluesky pretend to be more open than Twitter when it's been months and it's still an invite-only closed garden?

Well, it's still under a massive amount of development. Most basic features aren't there. Such as I can't change my email I used when I signed up. This is an issue for people since I typo'd it when I signed up. You can't change your password, you can create new app passwords. Since these are super basic features, it kinda shows how all the other stuff are. Realistically, I don't think it could handle a full enslaught…

> I've got 3 invites and no one to invite.

Hi :)

Re: A Look at Bluesky

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Post by cycomanic »

iptq wrote: post #11

> A benefit of atproto users is that they are transferable without needing an active server This is not exactly true, it just means the server that holds ur data (traditionally instance or home server) doesn't need to be involved in the transfer process. However, this has centralized identity resolution, which is not a good long term solution. > For example, someone was able to get the AWS S3 domain as their handle!…

How did hubzilla do it? They support activity pub, but their central theme is "nomadic" identities which can be brought anywhere and are independent of a server.

Re: A Look at Bluesky

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Post by that_guy_iain »

tambourine_man wrote: post #62
that_guy_iain wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, it's still under a massive amount of development. Most basic features aren't there. Such as I can't change my email I used when I signed up. This is an issue for people since I typo'd it when I signed up. You can't change your password, you can create new app passwords. Since these are super basic features, it kinda shows how all the other stuff are. Realistically, I don't think it could handle a full enslaught…

> I've got 3 invites and no one to invite. Hi :)

Need an email or something to send it to. Otherwise you could just lose it to someone else if I just paste the invite code here.

Re: A Look at Bluesky

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Post by heystefan »

that_guy_iain wrote: post #38
reflexco wrote: post #13

One thing I don't understand is how can Bluesky pretend to be more open than Twitter when it's been months and it's still an invite-only closed garden?

Well, it's still under a massive amount of development. Most basic features aren't there. Such as I can't change my email I used when I signed up. This is an issue for people since I typo'd it when I signed up. You can't change your password, you can create new app passwords. Since these are super basic features, it kinda shows how all the other stuff are. Realistically, I don't think it could handle a full enslaught…

If you're itching to invite someone, feel free to send one to stefan+hn@heystefan.com :)

Re: A Look at Bluesky

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Post by azeirah »

that_guy_iain wrote: post #38
reflexco wrote: post #13

One thing I don't understand is how can Bluesky pretend to be more open than Twitter when it's been months and it's still an invite-only closed garden?

Well, it's still under a massive amount of development. Most basic features aren't there. Such as I can't change my email I used when I signed up. This is an issue for people since I typo'd it when I signed up. You can't change your password, you can create new app passwords. Since these are super basic features, it kinda shows how all the other stuff are. Realistically, I don't think it could handle a full enslaught…

I would appreciate one! mail at laura.fm

Re: A Look at Bluesky

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Post by [deleted] »

tsimionescu wrote: post #23
mbStavola wrote: post #3

I'm not 100% sold on ATProto, but the fact that my identity and content can live separately from an instance is an insanely huge advantage over ActivityPub. I do not want to run my own Mastodon server (though I do) but I also don't want to use someone else's server and put my account at the mercy of the operator. It's maddening to think about how I could build a following or amass a ton of quality posts, only for the…

> I think more and more people are getting fed up with centralized platforms / not owning their data. Given the meteoric rise of TikTok, I don't think there is any sign of this being true outside a small techy bubble. At least, not as a percentage (that is, the growth in the number of people who are fed up with centralized platforms is dwarfed by the growth in the number of people who are fine with centralized platfo…

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Re: A Look at Bluesky

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Post by paulgb »

voytec wrote: post #42
KoftaBob wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> There's also the fact that Bluesky is run by Jack That's not accurate, Jack gave the Bluesky/AT Protocol organization initial grant money, but he doesn't "run" it. The CEO is Jay Graber.

And Linda Yaccarino is Twitter's CEO. In relationships like this, the CEO (or country's president) often has handlers and little decision-making autonomy. Not saying this is the case but I'm not confident it isn't. Jack is a power-hungry opportunist who throws money at anything that can give him wealth and status in the future.

Jack has embraced Nostr, not BlueSky. His Twitter profile links to Nostr and he has over 9,500 posts there, compared to 256 on BlueSky. The most recent BlueSky posts are from May, and include petty griping about the app that are not the sort of things someone who was de facto in charge of it would say.
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