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The phone (its PCB, PCBA and assembly) is made at the USA facility, in contrast to the regular Librem 5 which is made in China. It uses some components that come from outside of the US.
"All the electronics of the Liberty Phone are made in our USA facility, and the entire phone is assembled at that same facility, using the same manufacturing process we used for the Librem 5 devkits in 2018 and Librem Key that has the Made in the USA label started in 2019." "All the electronics of the Liberty Phone are made in our USA facility" "All the electronics" Edit: newlines
Come on, this is getting ridiculous. Phosh is nowhere stable, and these claims cannot be true with an 8 year old SoC from NXP.
I get that made in USA is your brand and whatnot, but people expect a phone to be able to run google maps in the browser, and whatsapp, and instagram in parallel.
If it turns off and reboots while doing that because it runs out of memory, you cannot claim it's a smartphone.
Even the nokia 3310 generation phones could do that with WAP internet access and GPRS. Now it's more than 20 years later and people's expectations are way higher than back then.
How many do you think will recommend a librem phone if your focus is now another not really supported platform instead of improving the software than runs it?
If software is your problem (which I think it is) make it fundable directly. Allow people to support the software development directly, and start a foundation for that. But this 2200$ price tag when a competitor's product has more than 10x the featureset for half the price...there's a limit of what people can take.
2200$ for a phone, which has wanky software support at its best. Come on, this is getting ridiculous. Phosh is nowhere stable, and these claims cannot be true with an 8 year old SoC from NXP. I get that made in USA is your brand and whatnot, but people expect a phone to be able to run google maps in the browser, and whatsapp, and instagram in parallel. If it turns off and reboots while doing that because it runs out…
2200$ for a phone, which has wanky software support at its best. Come on, this is getting ridiculous. Phosh is nowhere stable, and these claims cannot be true with an 8 year old SoC from NXP. I get that made in USA is your brand and whatnot, but people expect a phone to be able to run google maps in the browser, and whatsapp, and instagram in parallel. If it turns off and reboots while doing that because it runs out…
The main market for this would realistically the US government or government contractors if the US made some sort of rule requiring the government and contractors to use these types of phones
The iphone is likely 1000x more secure than this phone and a much better choice for government workers.
2200$ for a phone, which has wanky software support at its best. Come on, this is getting ridiculous. Phosh is nowhere stable, and these claims cannot be true with an 8 year old SoC from NXP. I get that made in USA is your brand and whatnot, but people expect a phone to be able to run google maps in the browser, and whatsapp, and instagram in parallel. If it turns off and reboots while doing that because it runs out…
Also, Nokia 3310 had no WAP and no GPRS. The next model, Nokia 3410, had WAP over CSD but no GPRS, and certainly wasn't suitable for anything like Google Maps which did not even exist back then.
[edit] The parent has moved the goalposts quite far in a sneaky edit, but even the edited claims are pretty unreasonable. Of course there was IM running in the background and there was still plenty of free RAM left for something more, and no, "Nokia 3310 generation phones" couldn't do anything like that for at least a few more years :)
https://puri.sm/products/liberty-phone/ Quote: "All the electronics of the Liberty Phone is made in our USA facility, and the entire phone is assembled in the USA" Table of origin says: WiFi Card India Both can't be true.
The video on their website is even more damaging... Edit: Note, this is NOT a claim about this company, their security, or practices -- just a look at the "Made in USA" label they press heavily "The integrated circuits can come from outside the united states" A bit of research seems to indicate that this is a fuzzy system.. > The product’s final assembly or processing must take place in the U.S. The Commission then c…
2200$ for a phone, which has wanky software support at its best. Come on, this is getting ridiculous. Phosh is nowhere stable, and these claims cannot be true with an 8 year old SoC from NXP. I get that made in USA is your brand and whatnot, but people expect a phone to be able to run google maps in the browser, and whatsapp, and instagram in parallel. If it turns off and reboots while doing that because it runs out…
I don't know why would I want to use Google Maps in a browser when there's Pure Maps, but I just tried and I can use it just fine on the base Librem 5 model with 3GB RAM. I also have several games installed on it, including even some Android games that work fine, so I don't get what you're talking about at all. Also, Nokia 3310 had no WAP and no GPRS. The next model, Nokia 3410, had WAP over CSD but no GPRS, and cert…
Same websites, same performance, same responsiveness, same app interactions, same bluetooth/hardware compatibility support?
...without having to use the terminal, ever?
Really? Is this a joke or something?
How many _minutes_ do you wait until google maps is loaded, and are still satisfied with it?
My experience with the librem phone has been _way worse_ than yours, apparently.
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Nevermind, of course you are working for purism.
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I don't know why would I want to use Google Maps in a browser when there's Pure Maps, but I just tried and I can use it just fine on the base Librem 5 model with 3GB RAM. I also have several games installed on it, including even some Android games that work fine, so I don't get what you're talking about at all. Also, Nokia 3310 had no WAP and no GPRS. The next model, Nokia 3410, had WAP over CSD but no GPRS, and cert…
So you're honestly trying to tell me that a librem phone has the same feature set as say, an iphone in comparison? Same websites, same performance, same responsiveness, same app interactions, same bluetooth/hardware compatibility support? ...without having to use the terminal, ever? Really? Is this a joke or something? How many _minutes_ do you wait until google maps is loaded, and are still satisfied with it? My exp…
Haven't said anything close to that and I certainly wouldn't because it's not true. However, personally I'm not very interested in iPhone's feature set, while I'm very interested in things that Librem 5 can offer that iPhone can't. The terminal is a feature I cherish rather than be afraid of.
> How many _minutes_ do you wait until google maps is loaded
Zero. Five seconds, to be exact.
I also tried it inside an Android container, so pretty much having two complete operating systems running at the same time. Interestingly, it was faster by one second there:)
If you're wondering why it's so expensive, it's a confluence of factors: - Making things in the us is expensive. This isn't the root cause but leads to the next point... - Phones are low margin devices. Most consumers are intensely price sensitive. Even if a US-made phone cost only $40 more, it'd still be at a serious disadvantage. - Therefore, there's no point in competing on price. The batch size of this is limited…
Assembly in the US is expensive, and what is the benefit to the end user? We're looking at manufacturing hardware, and considering Mexico for assembly (if anyone has experience with this, please let me know). Our initial thinking is 1) lower cost than the US 2) geographically closer 2a) lower environmental footprint in shipping 2b) quicker time from assembly to customer 2c) easier to visit the factories, solve proble…
Until that sort of thing is fixed, it’s not helpful for manufacturing trustworthy devices.