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Re: Apple to Remove Nostr Damus from App Store for Bitcoin Tipping Feature

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Post by Spivak »

Pulcinella wrote: post #51
josephcsible wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

First they came for the crypto crap, and I did not speak out ... Then they came for me. And with email, the recipient can choose to override the spam filter. That's key, and is the reason that spam filters aren't censorship.

First they came for the spam emails, and I did not speak out because I was not a spammer. Then they came for the crypto crap, and I did not speak out because I didn’t want that crap. Then they came for the NFTs, and I did not speak out because I was not an NFT bro. Then they came for the weekly trash pickup, and I said thank you.

People really like to use the slippery slope argument to mean "I took the most expansive interpretation of what someone did throwing away all context and came up with the worst possible thing they could do with that."

Re: Apple to Remove Nostr Damus from App Store for Bitcoin Tipping Feature

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Post by 7v3x3n3sem9vv »

photonerd wrote: post #31
RATML wrote: post #26

Imagine doing all that work to just hinge your fate on the least open, least aligned platform to your app's and app protocol's declared raison d'être. Do these people really believe that the cypherpunk ethos involves being an Apple bootlicker? I don't get it.

I mean anyone who would work on or with a google platform certainly isn’t. They’re the least cypherpunk, most bland and corporate, evil tech corp I can think of that makes consumer hardware outside of MAYBE Meta.

with Google you at least have the option to de-google with graphene or lineage. no open source alternatives on Apple mobile hardware.

Re: Apple to Remove Nostr Damus from App Store for Bitcoin Tipping Feature

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Post by evandale »

derefr wrote: post #57
this_user wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It really isn't, because if you either don't trust the sender or the shipping company, then your real issue is that the shipment or its contents get stolen, not that the shipping information is wrong. Once again, crypto is trying to solve problems that don't actually exist while completely failing to address the ones that do.

> then your real issue is that the shipment or its contents get stolen No, the chain-of-provenance use-case is to prevent people from being able to sell grey-market products while claiming that they're official products. E.g. selling iPhones built out of reconstituted parts from iPhones that were pickpocketed from their owners and then scrapped for parts. (Yes, this is a big issue — Google "my stolen phone ended up i…

This might be simplistic or ignorant - but does the essential core of crypto boil down to having a public trust ledger? Could a use case of crypto (and NFTs) be a replacement for PGP?

This whole signing a physical product to prove it's official kind of sounds like PGP but I only have a 10000 foot view and don't know much about PGP other than you sign stuff and people can cryptographically verify that you actually signed it.

Optional follow-up because I'm curious: how do you actually track that the physical thing wasn't modified or tampered with in practice? Couldn't a bad actor repair a broken RAM chip with their own parts and it would still be officially signed? Or does it rely on the owner invalidating their device, saying their phone is broken, and then all the parts in the phone get flagged as broken?

Re: Apple to Remove Nostr Damus from App Store for Bitcoin Tipping Feature

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Post by [deleted] »

josephcsible wrote: post #50
Pulcinella wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m happy with the one that doesn’t allow crypto crap. Also free speech is a practical impossibility. Standard email is a free as it gets and it turns out nobody wants that because if you have completely free speech your inbox gets spammed into oblivion. Everyone draws the line somewhere.

First they came for the crypto crap, and I did not speak out ... Then they came for me. And with email, the recipient can choose to override the spam filter. That's key, and is the reason that spam filters aren't censorship.

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Re: Apple to Remove Nostr Damus from App Store for Bitcoin Tipping Feature

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Post by lawn »

photonerd wrote: post #31
RATML wrote: post #26

Imagine doing all that work to just hinge your fate on the least open, least aligned platform to your app's and app protocol's declared raison d'être. Do these people really believe that the cypherpunk ethos involves being an Apple bootlicker? I don't get it.

I mean anyone who would work on or with a google platform certainly isn’t. They’re the least cypherpunk, most bland and corporate, evil tech corp I can think of that makes consumer hardware outside of MAYBE Meta.

With Google you can sideload apps, use F-Droid or go for Lineage or Graphene.

So targeting Android makes much more sense than targeting iOS in this respect.

Re: Apple to Remove Nostr Damus from App Store for Bitcoin Tipping Feature

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Post by zimzam »

cypress66 wrote: post #3

I can't believe the EU, which has fined Microsoft because of having IE as the default browser, is OK with Apple having a total walled garden in iOS. Which by the way only has one "browser", because other browsers are forced to use the safari engine.

This is missing context: Microsoft made their browser free at a time when Netscape cost $49.

Apple giving away Safari for free at a time when all major web browsers are free is different. Sure, Apple might benefit from being the default but Spotify and Pandora, which compete with Apple Music, are both still in Apple's app store.

Re: Apple to Remove Nostr Damus from App Store for Bitcoin Tipping Feature

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Post by rchaud »

photonerd wrote: post #32
colesantiago wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The only issue with this is: > I like crypto but think 99.999% of NFTs are scams It is more like 100% are scams, there is no NFT use case, it's all just jpgs.

The original idea behind NFTs is fine. Selling links to JPEGs was not the purpose. I’ve seen them used sensibly for shipment tracking, and such like. They’re great for that.

Now that the jpeg craze is dead, capital should be allocating itself towards more virtuous NFT use cases, should it not? That's where economic activity in an efficient market would move towards.

The marketplace decides what the purpose is. The use case people wanted was an easy way to launder real money into jpegs of arbitrarily set ETH values. Now that the PPP loan and ZIRP era is over, the bottom has fallen out of NFTs entirely. NBA Top Shot was one of the few non-jpeg early succes stories but that's flamed out as well.

Re: Apple to Remove Nostr Damus from App Store for Bitcoin Tipping Feature

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Post by evandale »

Spivak wrote: post #61
Pulcinella wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

First they came for the spam emails, and I did not speak out because I was not a spammer. Then they came for the crypto crap, and I did not speak out because I didn’t want that crap. Then they came for the NFTs, and I did not speak out because I was not an NFT bro. Then they came for the weekly trash pickup, and I said thank you.

People really like to use the slippery slope argument to mean "I took the most expansive interpretation of what someone did throwing away all context and came up with the worst possible thing they could do with that."

That's because if a bad actor was given the opportunity to make a lot of money doing the worst possible thing they could do with something someone will do that thing eventually 100% of the time, no exceptions. This isn't even an "Only siths deal in absolutes" scenario either.

There are plenty of people in the world who will do anything in this world for money, power, wealth, and control over people and they don't care who they hurt in the process of achieving that goal.

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