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French govt. says users of uBlock Origin, Signal etc. are potential terrorists

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Re: French govt. says users of uBlock Origin, Signal etc. are potential terrorists

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Post by maeln »

getrealal wrote: post #44
ohgodplsno wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Slippery slope? No, no, we're already down the slope and going fast, we are now at "dissolve informal ecologist organizations and raid their homes and families with antiterrorist groups and gear for the crimes of blocking some construction", "get friendly with neonazi groups and let them parade in Paris, let them attack prides and leftist bars".

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> There was no neonazi group parading in Paris; the GUD did their annual march to honour the memory of one of theirs killed by the police 20 years ago.

So there was no neonazi group parading, but there was a neonazi group parading.

> Comparatively, the far left is arrested for actual violent actions.

There was none in this case. On the other hand, the far right is responsible for several assault in Bordeaux and Lyon, was prosecuted in Nantes for beating up nearly to death two far left teenager, murdered Féderico Martin Aramburu, burned the house of the Saint Brévin mayor, attacked and firebombed a LGBT center in Tour, ...

Re: French govt. says users of uBlock Origin, Signal etc. are potential terrorists

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Post by littlestymaar »

And now, the parliament is currently discussing a bill about forcing hardware manufacturers to include a remote switch in their products so that the mic and camera could be activated at distance by the authorities, so that the police can listen on potential terrorists[1].

This is fine…

[1]: https://www.francetvinfo.fr/societe/justice/le-senat-donne-s...

Re: French govt. says users of uBlock Origin, Signal etc. are potential terrorists

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Post by getrealal »

bambax wrote: post #58
conradfr wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yesterday the French government dissolved an environmental movement (which I don't like btw), amongst the reasons stated[0] are that they leave their phones at home or switch them off, refuse to talk to the police when arrested, or even that they organize their protest over the internet. When accused of authoritarian tendencies the government usually answers "go to China or North Korea to see what a dictatorship is l…

The situation in France is dire and crazy. This will not end well.

Yep. But this is not exactly new. The Macron government is now using "anti-terror" legislation that was passed by both left and right-wing governments over the past 20 years or so.

Re: French govt. says users of uBlock Origin, Signal etc. are potential terrorists

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Post by lannisterstark »

getrealal wrote: post #64
bambax wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The situation in France is dire and crazy. This will not end well.

Yep. But this is not exactly new. The Macron government is now using "anti-terror" legislation that was passed by both left and right-wing governments over the past 20 years or so.

I'm really curious as to why Macron govt is looked up to by a lot of Americans. American citizens, with all of the country's flaws, tends to have a lot more inherent civil rights than most of these governments.

Re: French govt. says users of uBlock Origin, Signal etc. are potential terrorists

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Post by fransje26 »

littlestymaar wrote: post #62

And now, the parliament is currently discussing a bill about forcing hardware manufacturers to include a remote switch in their products so that the mic and camera could be activated at distance by the authorities, so that the police can listen on potential terrorists[1]. This is fine… [1]: https://www.francetvinfo.fr/societe/justice/le-senat-donne-s...

Incredible that they are dumb enough to believe that this can be enforced. We live in the EU, with free movement of goods and people, meaning that we can easily order our next electronic device from any other EU country that will not enforce this nonsense.

Of course, the next step will be you are shopping abroad == you are suspiciously close to being a terrorist.

On the other hand, I can see enough countries willing to support such a requirement, forcing an enforcement on a larger scale.

Re: French govt. says users of uBlock Origin, Signal etc. are potential terrorists

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Post by lannisterstark »

mantas wrote: post #51
derelicta wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's understandable yet sad that actively fighting against reactionnary movements puts you on a watchlist. Freedom fighters being equated to terrorists once again...

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>That's a very subjective view.

I don't think fighting for your civil rights is a 'very subjective view.'

If you don't think people should have their civil rights, the questionable position isn't the activists'.

Re: French govt. says users of uBlock Origin, Signal etc. are potential terrorists

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Post by lannisterstark »

sofixa wrote: post #17

As others have mentioned, context matters a lot. The arrested group came back from Syria (where they fought alongside YPG against ISIS) radicalised, and were monitored ever since then. Their alleged crime isn't using Signal, it's just that a French anti-terrorism law allows to be arrested for "organisation with the intent to commit terrorist acts", which the DGSI(internal intelligence services) claims a radicalised g…

>context matters a lot

Not in this current context. You can't detain someone willy nilly for 'intentions' without such intentions being explicitly stated as proof in letters, emails, messages, threats etc.

This is authoritarian pandering 101.

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