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Re: EVE Online: Add-in for MS Excel

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Post by jeremyjh »

mabbo wrote: post #48
_dan wrote: post #5

This is perfectly in the crossover between useful feature and top notch April Fools prank.

If you've ever played eve you realize that the most critical skill in the game is spreadsheet usage. I'll bet Martin Shkreli would dominate at that game. (Yes, that Shkreli: search him on YouTube and marvel at his excel skills.)

It depends on how you are playing the game. Spreadsheets are important everywhere, but for alliances holding territory in nullsec I'd argue leadership skills are the most the important. Its amazing how much you can learn about leadership from that game.

Re: EVE Online: Add-in for MS Excel

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Post by Kinrany »

thesuitonym wrote: post #44

I've bounced off of EVE three times now, and I've come to the conclusion that as much as I want to play the game, it's just not fun. Whoa there! Before you reply, remember that fun is relative to each person, what's fun for you is not necessarily fun for me!

> Whoa there! Before you reply, remember that fun is relative to each person, what's fun for you is not necessarily fun for me!

This whole part could have been replaced by adding "it's just not fun _for me_", and without making it sound like you do think the game is objectively not fun but don't want to defend it.

Re: EVE Online: Add-in for MS Excel

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Post by Kinrany »

hospitalJail wrote: post #52
thesuitonym wrote: post #44

I've bounced off of EVE three times now, and I've come to the conclusion that as much as I want to play the game, it's just not fun. Whoa there! Before you reply, remember that fun is relative to each person, what's fun for you is not necessarily fun for me!

As I get older and I've played every genre, I think few video games are fun. Many video games are addicting(stardew valley), many games invoke nostalgia(Nintendo/Zelda), some are slot machines(Diablo 3 and Starcraft Coop), etc... You wonder how many games are genuinely fun, and how many are marketed well and cause a network effect. Did people really like playing Madden 20xx and Call of Duty X? Or did 1 popular friend…

Don't play genres, a genre is inherently about something that sold well enough to spawn lots of clones. Like a lot of software, the need for commercial success compromises many good ideas.

Re: EVE Online: Add-in for MS Excel

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Post by solardev »

haunter wrote: post #53
solardev wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a Path of Exile player (another high complexity game, with market forces but less political intrigue), I wish we had more open APIs!

As a casual PoE player I hope sooner or later we will get an LLM that can make builds for me. https://poeplanner.com/ is still an absolute mindfuck. But it would be cool to have an LLM that does like "make me an INT/STR build with 2-handed weapon and aoe skills"

That would be great! The build guides are helpful, but limiting in that they are often super strict in what they need to be functional, and end game focused.

Sometimes I just want to have a good time trying out a new build, even if it never makes it past early mapping, but the game just makes that so punishingly difficult.

Having a build advisor (maybe even built into the game somehow?) would be awesome. But I think GGG purposefully tries to keep it obscure and complex, maybe to increase longevity? Heck, it worked for me... got bored of Diablo 4 after a week because it was so basic.

Re: EVE Online: Add-in for MS Excel

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Post by b3lvedere »

hospitalJail wrote: post #52
thesuitonym wrote: post #44

I've bounced off of EVE three times now, and I've come to the conclusion that as much as I want to play the game, it's just not fun. Whoa there! Before you reply, remember that fun is relative to each person, what's fun for you is not necessarily fun for me!

As I get older and I've played every genre, I think few video games are fun. Many video games are addicting(stardew valley), many games invoke nostalgia(Nintendo/Zelda), some are slot machines(Diablo 3 and Starcraft Coop), etc... You wonder how many games are genuinely fun, and how many are marketed well and cause a network effect. Did people really like playing Madden 20xx and Call of Duty X? Or did 1 popular friend…

Fun changes with you i guess.

I've been playing videogames since the days of Pong. I've had a pong console, the ZX Spectrum, the Intel 286,386,486,etc, Xbox, PSP. Still have the Xbox 360, Nintendo DS, GameCube, Wii, Switch and nowadays i play most of my games on my "family gaming computer" which is a MSI Trident 3.

Of course life happened and i don't have much game time. And i got older of course. What i do like are the stories in the games. I like rpgs, but hate the fighting and grinding. I like fpses, but hate their mazes/puzzles (except for the Portal games).

The limited time has made me picky on what game i want to play, so there are very few games that i really complete. I want the most of my invested time. The last one i completed was Star Trek Resurgence. Nice story, nice graphics and the qte's made sure the game progresses without needing much time. It was lots of fun.

I'm still trying to complete Yakuza 5. The stories are nice, but it takes lot of grinding.

Re: EVE Online: Add-in for MS Excel

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Post by Kinrany »

noir_lord wrote: post #12
rektide wrote: post #2

This mostly facilitates nicely what players were already doing with api & data dump integrations. It greatly boosts accessibility though, which is great. It just is so remarkable to me that no other games dare to have the depth & accessibility that EVE does. No one else has anything remotely as open ended as EVE Online's existing APIs or data dumps. It's shocking to me that games remain so quaintly isolated in their…

> It just is so remarkable to me that no other games dare to have the depth & accessibility that EVE does. I think arma3 does (in terms of depth - very different games), it has a full programming language built into - people have done everything from Zombie Survival to Living on a tropical island to recreating the Vietnam war to completely replacing the stock AI with one that feels remarkably human[1]. It is a stagge…

Modding is also very rare, but it is different from the game providing tools for integrating the game with the outside world.

Re: EVE Online: Add-in for MS Excel

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Post by saas_sam »

Kinrany wrote: post #63
thesuitonym wrote: post #44

I've bounced off of EVE three times now, and I've come to the conclusion that as much as I want to play the game, it's just not fun. Whoa there! Before you reply, remember that fun is relative to each person, what's fun for you is not necessarily fun for me!

> Whoa there! Before you reply, remember that fun is relative to each person, what's fun for you is not necessarily fun for me! This whole part could have been replaced by adding "it's just not fun _for me_", and without making it sound like you do think the game is objectively not fun but don't want to defend it.

You need to add "to me" at the end of your sentence here, because you're making it sound like you think their post sounds a certain way objectively, when that's actually subjective and didn't sound that way at all to me.

Re: EVE Online: Add-in for MS Excel

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Post by mewmew07 »

kjs3 wrote: post #37
mewmew07 wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I guess it's also true that not everyone wants to play a game where an Excel add-in is not available. Please note, Excel is not a requirement to play EVE Online, it is only useful to have an add-in for some roles. Further, for most popular games, Excel doesn't even make sense. Parent's request for more games to be more accessible to external tools like Excel is not a request to make Excel access your CoD game state,…

Dense? Who's the one who missed the joke, and then doubled down on missing the point? The parent is excited because the game they like to play is so baroque and complicated, that full participation requires external data processing (yes I know you don't have to use Excel or anything else, but amongst the dozen or so regular EVE Online players I know, including one former EO QA tester, every single one uses Excel to s…

My brother in christ, you are are a casual, and there's nothing wrong with that, but leave the serious gaming for the hardcore players.
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