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Re: Goodbye, San Francisco

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Post by maerF0x0 »

fumar wrote: post #50
maerF0x0 wrote: post #19

> Thankfully, I escaped with only scrapes and bruises, but that was really upsetting for me, and I felt that it was only a matter of time before something worse happened. Lately, with my observation that much of American life is getting much much worse. I often think about leaving America entirely, attempting to hold my breath a little longer to get what America most has to offer these days -- superior compensation/s…

Thinking of Singapore?

I'd be open to it if it weren't for an aging parent. I've only heard amazing things from Singapore :)

Re: Goodbye, San Francisco

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Post by whimsicalism »

bushbaba wrote: post #58
pelagicAustral wrote: post #18

Drugs and Homelessness are political problems now. It's been a while since they are treated as health issues, that's why nobody can do anything, it's because like anything in politics it has become a pissing contest between people that are far too removed from the actual problem.

Funds to combat in one local area just encourages the homeless and drug users from other areas to migrate over. The only move is hostility to shift the homeless elsewhere. Which only worsens the situation.

It is a tragedy of commons that requires federal action but they are too scared,

Re: Goodbye, San Francisco

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Post by celdon25 »

kneebonian wrote: post #21
orangepurple wrote: post #5

The local crime statistics are saying that San Francisco is a safe city with crime trending downwards.

The statistics are the result of the DAs refusing to prosecute crime. At the beginning of the BLM era everyone said that what is going to happen is police officers are no longer going to do arrests because they fear becoming the next major incident, at the same time the DAs started refusing to prosecute people, so they'd end up back on the street. The result was no one was investigating or prosecuting crimes anymore.…

The people downvoting you are the ones also likely voting for these politicians. There’s a real problem in this country and the trend needs to be reversed or our problems will grow exponentially.

Re: Goodbye, San Francisco

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Post by [deleted] »

shsachdev wrote: post #37

Downtown SF (and especially OP's neighborhood of 7th/8th Mission Street) is not the place to be. It's a bit like complaining about LA and living right near downtown. Upper Market, North Beach, Hayes Valley, Valencia St, Mission Dolores, Polk Street, Upper Nob Hill, Haight Ashbury -- all fun locations. I've lived near Dolores Park for the past 15 months now and have had a great experience. I've found community, made n…

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Re: Goodbye, San Francisco

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Post by onlyrealcuzzo »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #34
onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you don't need diversity, year-round hot weather, and sky-rocking housing prices - there's tons of nice affordable places near The Great Lakes. Also, Philadelphia has some quite nice areas that are pretty affordable. And it's an easy train ride away from NYC.

The great lakes region doesn't have a great tech scene. Maybe Chicago, but otherwise you would be eeking out opportunities in college towns. You might have better luck in SLC or Denver.

Google, Amazon, & Microsoft are all in Detroit. I'm pretty sure Facebook is, too. Plus it has a decent startup ecosystem.

IBM has tons of jobs in upstate NY - offices in Buffalo, Rochester, and Syracuse (not exactly a dream employer).

And remote jobs are always an option...

The nice parts of Denver are quite expensive. Detroit has much more to offer in terms of jobs than SLC.

Re: Goodbye, San Francisco

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Post by jeffbee »

minimaxir wrote: post #14

I lived at the 7th and 8th / Mission block before OP did and it was pretty bad then. What's weird is that there's been a lot of development and modernization in that area (completion of Trinity Place and a nice Whole Foods) yet in 2023 it's still extremely unsafe around there. And the Whole Foods is now leaving.

I think it's a lot better than it used to be. From 2001-2005 I walked from work at 2nd St to home at Guerrero and there were only a few blocks on that walk when I wasn't braced for action. With all the new buildings and the BRT on Van Ness and other changes it seems way better now.

Re: Goodbye, San Francisco

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Post by kneebonian »

veec_cas_tant wrote: post #51
kneebonian wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People should have a right to feel safe and secure in their home and possessions and not have to move because the state refuses to fulfill it's function.

Every area of sufficient size, at least in the US, has rough neighborhoods

And yet not ever area in the US has literal piles of human sh* laying all over the sidewalk.

Re: Goodbye, San Francisco

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Post by Retric »

WirelessGigabit wrote: post #25
orangepurple wrote: post #5

The local crime statistics are saying that San Francisco is a safe city with crime trending downwards.

The reality is that crime is a statistic and fully depends on your definition of crime and how well it is reported. Take the So now you have a theft that isn't reported. Crime goes down.

That’s not a location specific effect to it doesn’t really affect the relative statistics much. Comparing SF to actually dangerous US cities shows stark differences.

What hurts SF is a perfect environment for people to be homeless, and thus all the associated problems from homelessness. Rather than murder, rape, home invasion, etc it’s a host of lesser but still unpleasant things.

Re: Goodbye, San Francisco

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Post by xvedejas »

rossdavidh wrote: post #46

I am interested to hear from any HN readers who live in SF, as to whether or not this sounds factually accurate.

It is somewhat true for the few blocks around where the author lived. But it's confusing to me when people say it's worse now than it was in 2016/2017, say. The pandemic made everything worse for a couple years, but I think we're just back to the same level of misery that had me avoiding many blocks in that area back in 2016. That part of the city was clearly already gone and neglected then.
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