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Return to Office Enters the Desperation Phase

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Re: Return to Office Enters the Desperation Phase

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Post by dv_dt »

leoedin wrote: post #47
bluefishinit wrote: post #15

> “You can interrupt each other without being rude when you’re in person,” said Mr. Medina, whose company, Outreach, is now in the office on a hybrid basis. “In a Zoom conversation, you have to let somebody finish their thought.” How is this not admitting that WFH is superior? If it puts a damper on people like this who feel it's their right to interrupt your thoughts, it's only a good thing. This article title may s…

From my point of view, he's right. Virtual meetings with more than 3 participants make back-and-forth discussions very hard. Interruptions aren't always negative - they're part of a natural conversation. In a situation where I'm talking, often an interruption will be to ask for clarification, or more information, and it'll come just as I start to move on to something else. The latency and awkwardness of video calls m…

I always found Zoom great for latency and communication. For some reason Google vid hangouts had us unintentionally interrupting each other more frequently - don't know if they've improved that now. I think it's one hidden reason Zoom got more popular so quickly over other vid conf offerings.

Re: Return to Office Enters the Desperation Phase

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Post by x86x87 »

At this point this is just propaganda.

The desperation phase? Yes, for employers. Watch this whole RTO thing collapse and corpos "changing their mind" once the herd gas been thinned and 2024, an elections year, rolls around. They have limited time to pull this off.

Re: Return to Office Enters the Desperation Phase

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Post by seabrookmx »

uxp100 wrote: post #22

These articles are kinda funny to me since I don’t know anyone in my corner of the industry, in my corner of the world who has been fully wfh since 2021. And like, nobody is all that upset about it? We need to share hardware, we were borrowing lab equipment, passing prototypes and going in to have techs solder stuff, etc, might as well go in a few days a week. I’m not saying I don’t get why people like wfh, it’s just…

Is it that small of subset? Even outside of software, there's many many jobs remote works for. Accountants, lawyers, graphic designers..

Re: Return to Office Enters the Desperation Phase

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Post by spacemadness »

cmiles74 wrote: post #42
asnyder wrote: post #2

Funny how they close the article with an in office gossip update as being an example of a major benefit of coming in. Really, couldn't close on something more substantial to the business?

This entire article is weak on the work-from-office advantages. While they claim that some companies have "run the numbers," unfortunately no factual data from this number running has made it into the article.

They’ve certainly run the numbers on corporate real estate to fuel all this corporate gaslighting.

Re: Return to Office Enters the Desperation Phase

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Post by mlhpdx »

meepmorp wrote: post #27
czbond wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One could consider a paycheck a carrot....

No, my paycheck is why I show up at all, it's table stakes. Carrots are things that show I'm appreciated, and the bare fucking minimum to keep me there isn't a show of appreciation.

Wow. This comes off as “yes, pay taxes AND make offerings to me”.

Re: Return to Office Enters the Desperation Phase

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Post by JamesLeonis »

bluefishinit wrote: post #15

> “You can interrupt each other without being rude when you’re in person,” said Mr. Medina, whose company, Outreach, is now in the office on a hybrid basis. “In a Zoom conversation, you have to let somebody finish their thought.” How is this not admitting that WFH is superior? If it puts a damper on people like this who feel it's their right to interrupt your thoughts, it's only a good thing. This article title may s…

> has no data other than CEO "feelings" to back it up.

I should make a sign I can tap for all the CEO feelings instead of data. For now I'm content adding to my comment chain [0].

[0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36384366

Re: Return to Office Enters the Desperation Phase

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Post by meepmorp »

mlhpdx wrote: post #67
meepmorp wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, my paycheck is why I show up at all, it's table stakes. Carrots are things that show I'm appreciated, and the bare fucking minimum to keep me there isn't a show of appreciation.

Wow. This comes off as “yes, pay taxes AND make offerings to me”.

I get paid to work, I'm not there because I fundamentally care about the organization or what it does. If you want to motivate me to do more than the bare minimum, please do so through motivating me, not by telling me I should be grateful to work for you.

And, yes, I'm entitled to be treated well, just like everyone else.

Re: Return to Office Enters the Desperation Phase

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Post by rektide »

dv_dt wrote: post #61
leoedin wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From my point of view, he's right. Virtual meetings with more than 3 participants make back-and-forth discussions very hard. Interruptions aren't always negative - they're part of a natural conversation. In a situation where I'm talking, often an interruption will be to ask for clarification, or more information, and it'll come just as I start to move on to something else. The latency and awkwardness of video calls m…

I always found Zoom great for latency and communication. For some reason Google vid hangouts had us unintentionally interrupting each other more frequently - don't know if they've improved that now. I think it's one hidden reason Zoom got more popular so quickly over other vid conf offerings.

Latency is only one of the problems. Most of these services seem to handle audio in a way where they are picking one person as the speaker, and muting or ducking everyone else's audio. Practices like cooperative overlap are technologically inhibited.
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