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Re: Subreddit Migration Directory

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Post by Cthulhu_ »

lolinder wrote: post #45

Beehaw became a hub for the exodus largely through a misunderstanding—they were already active when Lemmy exploded, so a lot of the exiles found their way into their communities, but Beehaw's culture is in a lot of respects incompatible with Reddit's. It was only a matter of time before they decided preserving their community was more important than sheltering all of Reddit's exiles. I highly recommend reading Beehaw…

> Over time this platform, like many others before it, got infested with a group of people I like to refer to as rationalists.

I'm reading another instance of "eternal september" in this post.

Re: Subreddit Migration Directory

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Post by p-e-w »

guywithahat wrote: post #34
unclekev wrote: post #19

Just went to the 'Programming' lemmy/beehaw and the first thing I see is a post about how they have had to defederate from some instances because of a lack of proper mod tools, trolls and bad actors. The irony. > https://beehaw.org/post/567170 > these two instances’ open registration policy, which is extremely problematic for us given how federation works and how trivial it makes trolling, harassment, and other undes…

One of the biggest issues with the fediverse imo is moderation. People will literally create blacklists of sites, and if you don't follow the blacklist you'll get added to it. You end up in these situations where there are completely separate versions of the fediverse and the largest instances will often not be able to talk to each other. At least before Elon bought Twitter I know the most active (depending on how yo…

> People will literally create blacklists of sites, and if you don't follow the blacklist you'll get added to it.

This is why the Fediverse cannot work. More precisely, it can work, but only in the same way as the thing it tries to replace.

It's always the same story: The largest communities impose their rules on everyone else, under threat of exclusion from those communities. This creates power structures that are almost indistinguishable from the ones found on commercial networks. In one case, it's business interests that drive culture, in the other, it's the egos and personal ideologies of the most powerful community members.

I honestly don't know which one is worse.

Re: Subreddit Migration Directory

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Post by malermeister »

none_to_remain wrote: post #51
kibwen wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's nothing ironic about this, the whole point of a federated system is that instances have the power to decide who's a part of their network.

I think many people implicitly desire that the federation graph is complete, or practically nearly-complete with some pariah servers cut off. To put it differently, they want to be "user@host" in a system with a global namespace, not "user" in the "host" namespace with patchy access to others.

The problem is that a complete graph doesn't really make sense because people are different and find different things acceptable.

I don't want Nazi shit on my reddit replacement. I'm assuming a lot of people here wouldn't want theirs to be full of commie shit. Then there's the religious nuts etc etc.

Think of it less as censorship and more as community self-segregation. I wouldn't go to a Nazi bar or Sunday school in real life, why would I want to be in the online equivalent?

Re: Subreddit Migration Directory

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Post by notRobot »

Dalewyn wrote: post #40
guywithahat wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One of the biggest issues with the fediverse imo is moderation. People will literally create blacklists of sites, and if you don't follow the blacklist you'll get added to it. You end up in these situations where there are completely separate versions of the fediverse and the largest instances will often not be able to talk to each other. At least before Elon bought Twitter I know the most active (depending on how yo…

My only takeaway is that the "fediverse" is merely another layer/expression of centralization.

Decentralisation isn't perfect, and has its problems. That doesn't mean it's the same as centralisation.

Re: Subreddit Migration Directory

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Post by kibwen »

unclekev wrote: post #43
kibwen wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's nothing ironic about this, the whole point of a federated system is that instances have the power to decide who's a part of their network.

> have the power to decide who's a part of their network. Former Reddit mods are going to love this feature. Now when they are power-tripping or they don't agree with another instances users views on a topic, instead of just banning the users, they can ban entire instances/communities from participating in one fell swoop.

As opposed to Reddit, where admins have to forcibly intervene when subreddits frequently brigade each other. For all its foibles, the fediverse approach is solving actual problems with Reddit.

Re: Subreddit Migration Directory

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Post by Doxin »

slekker wrote: post #42
lolinder wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

selfhosted@lemmy.world is very active.

short rant: one thing I dislike about these ActivityPub links is that given it is parsed as an email, you cannot click it. Plus, I have no idea how this “email” translates to the actual URL I am supposed to use.

In general with the fediverse you go to the domain after the @ and over there use the search box to find the part preceding the @. In this case that leads me to https://lemmy.world/c/selfhosted

Re: Subreddit Migration Directory

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Post by fzeroracer »

guywithahat wrote: post #34
unclekev wrote: post #19

Just went to the 'Programming' lemmy/beehaw and the first thing I see is a post about how they have had to defederate from some instances because of a lack of proper mod tools, trolls and bad actors. The irony. > https://beehaw.org/post/567170 > these two instances’ open registration policy, which is extremely problematic for us given how federation works and how trivial it makes trolling, harassment, and other undes…

One of the biggest issues with the fediverse imo is moderation. People will literally create blacklists of sites, and if you don't follow the blacklist you'll get added to it. You end up in these situations where there are completely separate versions of the fediverse and the largest instances will often not be able to talk to each other. At least before Elon bought Twitter I know the most active (depending on how yo…

That's not an issue, that's the intent of federation. It's IRC/Forums etc but at a larger scale where you can more easily connect to similar channels and forums. You either accept that communities have the right to self-police whom they can talk to or not, or accept that you want a central authority to do that for you.

Re: Subreddit Migration Directory

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Post by camdenlock »

lolinder wrote: post #45

Beehaw became a hub for the exodus largely through a misunderstanding—they were already active when Lemmy exploded, so a lot of the exiles found their way into their communities, but Beehaw's culture is in a lot of respects incompatible with Reddit's. It was only a matter of time before they decided preserving their community was more important than sheltering all of Reddit's exiles. I highly recommend reading Beehaw…

I read it. It’s bizarre. They’re so convinced of their preferred ideology that they refer to indoctrination as simply “becoming a better person”.

One doesn’t come across such intense blindness of self like that very often. Steer clear.

Re: Subreddit Migration Directory

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Post by swores »

p-e-w wrote: post #62
guywithahat wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One of the biggest issues with the fediverse imo is moderation. People will literally create blacklists of sites, and if you don't follow the blacklist you'll get added to it. You end up in these situations where there are completely separate versions of the fediverse and the largest instances will often not be able to talk to each other. At least before Elon bought Twitter I know the most active (depending on how yo…

> People will literally create blacklists of sites, and if you don't follow the blacklist you'll get added to it. This is why the Fediverse cannot work. More precisely, it can work, but only in the same way as the thing it tries to replace. It's always the same story: The largest communities impose their rules on everyone else, under threat of exclusion from those communities. This creates power structures that are a…

Why would you not expect egos and personal ideologies to affect both admins and mods somewhere like Reddit, they're people just like Fediverse volunteers? Aren't they both the same on that side, meaning the only difference is that one of them also has commercial interests in the mix?
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