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Re: Tell HN: Google search sucks even more during Reddit blackout

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Duckduckgo has somewhat recently added a feature where with some searches they'll spot you're trying to search for Reddit posts, and ask if you want more of them displayed. It's a useful addition for the habit I've picked up of adding "reddit" to searches to limit the blog spam.

It's a shame it came out now, when reddit is increasingly full of spam and now is blowing itself up.

Re: Tell HN: Google search sucks even more during Reddit blackout

#62

Actually though, is SEO/spam so out of control that allegedly the best software engineers in the world are unable to counter it? Are bad results actually good for google in some perverse ad-based way? Do people at google actually use their products at all?

I don't know about ability but it is obvious they are not willing to even try. Why? If search result quality was anywhere in their radar, there would be a button next to all search results letting me block the domain from my personal search results. One day they might even figure how to use the information about blocked domains to help ranking results while not being gamed.

Re: Tell HN: Google search sucks even more during Reddit blackout

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I haven't noticed this, but have seen the complaints. I don't tend to see many reddit links in my search results, and haven't noticed a change since that blackout. Perhaps just the nature of my searches?

I don't get a ton either which is odd because I OFTEN add "reddit" onto my search and get way better results for what I'm looking for. Kinda odd how Google search hasn't learned yet that Reddit results are higher quality, at least for me? Almost like it's not optimizing for quality of results... It's almost like Google's optimizing for revenue on results has created the Reddit situation. Can't find better results wit…

> I don't get a ton either which is odd because I OFTEN add "reddit" onto my search and get way better results for what I'm looking for.

Could you give some example queries?

Re: Tell HN: Google search sucks even more during Reddit blackout

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Google should probably just buy Reddit and run it at a loss. This may not be good for us the users, and might end up killing Reddit in the long run, but it's better for both Google and Reddit than the current situation.

Reddit's valuation is insane right now, they got in before the "correction" so it's at some absurd multiple. Anyone trying to buy Reddit would need to basically lowball the hell out of them and make the case that an IPO will only be worse (which may or may not be true).

is this correct?

It doesn't sound right. It last raised money at $10B in 2021, but Fidelity, who led that round have since cut that valuation on their own books back to $6B.

I would not be surprised if that is a conservative number.

The market has moved and reddit hasn't been going in the right direction.

While that's still a lot of money, it is unprofitable, so a trade sale would make some sense. The real issue is that it comes with a lot of reputational baggage that a lot of public companies would not want.

Re: Tell HN: Google search sucks even more during Reddit blackout

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I've said it before, the web's demise is Google's fault. SEO optimization has pushed content 'producers' to generate page after page. There are websites that have a page for every Microsoft KB error out there pointing to their own product. It even is starting to overtake YouTube. All just to get higher in Google and push (malicious) ads to visitors.

What you're seeing on Google is the content that's most well adapted to Google's algorithm. There's a lot of stuff that is not as well adapted. For the most part it hasn't gone away, it's just not able to compete with the bullshit.

At the same time I don't think Google is exclusively at fault. I think their dominance in shaping web traffic is a far bigger factor.

Re: Tell HN: Google search sucks even more during Reddit blackout

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Actually though, is SEO/spam so out of control that allegedly the best software engineers in the world are unable to counter it? Are bad results actually good for google in some perverse ad-based way? Do people at google actually use their products at all?

I don't know about ability but it is obvious they are not willing to even try. Why? If search result quality was anywhere in their radar, there would be a button next to all search results letting me block the domain from my personal search results. One day they might even figure how to use the information about blocked domains to help ranking results while not being gamed.

Some years ago there was the option to remove a domain from search results (I don’t remember if it was a default or an option). Google removed it without giving a reason. I assume that it was not working as expected.

But the web has changed in these years. It would be interesting to have it again.

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