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Re: WHO advises against use of artificial sweeteners

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Post by gambiting »

doxeddaily wrote: post #49
Someone1234 wrote: post #10

This was posted when it was published in May. To use an analogy their argument is: Vaping is bad for you, don't do it. While ignoring that a ton of people quit smoking using vapes and that they're letting the perfect be the enemy of good. Same thing with NSS. While NSS are a useful tool for sugar reduction, studies have shown that over the medium-long term, you'll want to reduce artificially sweat foods and even swea…

I'm super dubious about their conclusions here. Fat people drink diet soda because they are trying to avoid sugar. Diet soda actually tastes damn good these days, there isn't really a reason to drink regular soda.

>>Diet soda actually tastes damn good these days, there isn't really a reason to drink regular soda.

Oh god I couldn't disagree more. I literally can't stand the taste of diet pepsi/coke, the sweeteners leave such an awful aftertaste on my tongue.

Re: WHO advises against use of artificial sweeteners

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Post by anonymouskimmer »

mike10921 wrote: post #39
Someone1234 wrote: post #10

This was posted when it was published in May. To use an analogy their argument is: Vaping is bad for you, don't do it. While ignoring that a ton of people quit smoking using vapes and that they're letting the perfect be the enemy of good. Same thing with NSS. While NSS are a useful tool for sugar reduction, studies have shown that over the medium-long term, you'll want to reduce artificially sweat foods and even swea…

I fully agree. The main argument is that if you use sweeteners you will eat more sugar, so it is worse than sugar. So basically don't eat the non-poison because it will cause you to eat poison, so instead eat the poison itself. Also, there is no concrete evidence that sweeteners are bad for one's health, it's more the feeling of 'chemicals' are always bad. Sugar is clearly bad and causes obesity and diabetes. The cho…

This depends on the sweetener. There have been recent articles linking bad health effects to erythritol and sucralose that I am aware of.

Re: WHO advises against use of artificial sweeteners

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Post by Semaphor »

fredgrott wrote: post #45
Someone1234 wrote: post #10

This was posted when it was published in May. To use an analogy their argument is: Vaping is bad for you, don't do it. While ignoring that a ton of people quit smoking using vapes and that they're letting the perfect be the enemy of good. Same thing with NSS. While NSS are a useful tool for sugar reduction, studies have shown that over the medium-long term, you'll want to reduce artificially sweat foods and even swea…

Vaping is wrong for a very different reason, i.e. because the amount and quality of nicotine is unregulated which means the standard vape has an overdose of nicotine which can result in death in a single vape. 6 deaths by vaping in my state of Indiana alone last year, and all of them teenagers.

That’s not a general vaping thing, that’s about certain nicotine containing liquids or pods or whatever kids use these days. There are people like me who have zero nicotine in their vapes.

Re: WHO advises against use of artificial sweeteners

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Post by Veen »

fredgrott wrote: post #45
Someone1234 wrote: post #10

This was posted when it was published in May. To use an analogy their argument is: Vaping is bad for you, don't do it. While ignoring that a ton of people quit smoking using vapes and that they're letting the perfect be the enemy of good. Same thing with NSS. While NSS are a useful tool for sugar reduction, studies have shown that over the medium-long term, you'll want to reduce artificially sweat foods and even swea…

Vaping is wrong for a very different reason, i.e. because the amount and quality of nicotine is unregulated which means the standard vape has an overdose of nicotine which can result in death in a single vape. 6 deaths by vaping in my state of Indiana alone last year, and all of them teenagers.

I find that very hard to believe unless these people are making their own vape juice with hundreds of times the recommended amount of pure nicotine. For example, a standard Juul pod contains about 40 mg of nicotine, each puff gives you a max of 160 µg, which is significantly less than a 2000th of the commonly believed lethal dose (500 mg orally for a 80KG person).

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33762429/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicotine_poisoning

Btw, there's in interesting story attached to mistaken view about what constitutes a lethal dose of nicotine.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3880486/

Re: WHO advises against use of artificial sweeteners

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Post by 0cf8612b2e1e »

hedora wrote: post #27
WonderBuilder wrote: post #6

It feels to me that this advisory was not put out sensibly. WHO advises "against [artificial sweetener] use" because they "do not help control body mass or reduce the risk of weight-related illnesses" and because long term "[may increase the risk] of type 2 diabetes and cardiovascular disease". But is that enough reason to give such a blanket statement disallowance? What if you want to have some sweetness from time t…

Artificial sweeteners have been shown to cause weight gain, since they make you hungrier, and also lower your metabolism. This was shown in follow up studies with humans, but with mice, they had three groups that each got a fixed amount of calorie counted food and a hamster wheel. They then added sugar to one group's water and artificial sweetener to another group's. The artificial sweetener groups gained the most we…

> They also cause all sorts of other health issues (cancer, digestive problems, neurological problems), but those are mostly product specific. The above applies to all non-nutritional sweeteners that have been studied.

I would love to see some support of this. Artificial sweeteners are some of the most studied food additives. If there were a definitive association at practical consumption levels, that would be huge news.

Re: WHO advises against use of artificial sweeteners

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Post by Semaphor »

morkalork wrote: post #21

Companies need to stop using artificial sweeteners because they're just too sweet! If you ever do a low carb diet, it feels like your pallet is forever changed afterwards. Unmodified and unprocessed food taste naturally sweet on its own. Food with artificial sweeteners added tastes unbearably sweet.

I actually thought sweet stuff was sweet long before doing low-carb. I think a big difference is that here (Germany) we don’t put a ton of sugar and/or sweetener in pretty much everything. From what I’ve heard, that’s a thing in the US, and I know that it’s a thing in South Africa.

Re: WHO advises against use of artificial sweeteners

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Post by bojo »

Veen wrote: post #60

Splendid news. I can ditch the artificial sweeteners and return to putting three sugar lumps in my tea, since, somewhat counter-intuitively, using sweeteners instead of sugar doesn't help with weight control.

Basically. There's some evidence that artificial sweeteners spike insulin as well, so a net gain of nothing in some cases.

Re: WHO advises against use of artificial sweeteners

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Post by ryeights »

dmix wrote: post #41
DrThunder wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Eh I get what you're saying but I don't think most people who switch to vaping actually stop quit nicotine all together, they just continue vaping with often higher levels of nicotine. I guess they have the advantage of getting rid of second-hand smoke and the permeating smell of cigarettes. I think a similar thing happens with "diet" "sugar-free" products. Almost all of the people who use these products neglect ever…

> they just continue vaping with often higher levels of nicotine Source?

I can’t speak to OP’s claim about former smokers. However as a younger person who knows many younger never-smoker vape users, I can attest that they all consume vastly more nicotine than would ever be practical with cigarettes.

Vape pods are highly concentrated and you can use them anywhere, any time. No more need to bother with sneaking out of the house or taking smoke breaks.

Re: WHO advises against use of artificial sweeteners

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Post by clamprecht »

gambiting wrote: post #61
doxeddaily wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm super dubious about their conclusions here. Fat people drink diet soda because they are trying to avoid sugar. Diet soda actually tastes damn good these days, there isn't really a reason to drink regular soda.

>>Diet soda actually tastes damn good these days, there isn't really a reason to drink regular soda. Oh god I couldn't disagree more. I literally can't stand the taste of diet pepsi/coke, the sweeteners leave such an awful aftertaste on my tongue.

Does Coke Zero or Pepsi Black taste any better to you? I don't like diet coke or diet pepsi, but I do like the newer coke zero.
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