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Debian 12 “Bookworm”

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Re: Debian 12 “Bookworm”

#61
post #15

Had to reinstall ubuntu 3 times already since the beginning of this year and thus switched to debian, hopefully I'll be able to settle in for a while

For me Ubuntu has been the most stable distro. I probably won't move, since I want an up-to-date system that stays out of my way

Re: Debian 12 “Bookworm”

#62
post #26

But it's /not/ released though. Their own news section mentions that cd images are still being built, which seems like something that should have happened already. There's nothing but 11.7 available for download.

The bookworm apt repository is in the final state, so Bookworm is released for those with existing Debian installations who can just do a search/replace of "bullseye" to "bookworm" in their apt.sources file, and run apt dist-upgrade.

Re: Debian 12 “Bookworm”

#63
post #29
post #18

Testing this out in a VM. I want to move away from Ubuntu (honestly, from SNAPs)

I'm also considering this, but I'm a little afraid of being stuck in the slow lane when it comes to software updates. I'm aware of Backports, but I'm led to believe it has a somewhat limited selection. Perhaps this is a good opportunity to try a combination of Debian, for general system stability, and Nix, for specific tools where I need newer releases? Has anyone tried this combination before? If so, how did you fin…

Is this a desktop/laptop? You can always run unstable if you think stable is too old (I run unstable on my dev systems, and stable on servers/anything I want to setup and let run). FYI, if you use a Ubuntu LTS release, then unless you always run the latest LTS, the majority of the packages (being in universe) will actually be older than Debian stable (and will always be older then Debian unstable).

Re: Debian 12 “Bookworm”

#65

Do you recommend switching from Ubuntu TLS to this one? Even to a heavy LXC and multipass user? What had kept me on Ubuntu so far has been their out of box laptop support (I.e. WiFi drivers).

Moved back to Debian because of lxc on Ubuntu requiring snaps. Turns out same problem on Debian. Snapd consumes 100% cpu. All. The. Time. Hoping Bookworm will solve it. Else I will be moving to Archlinux, which has lxc without snapd.

The "lxc" command runs lxd, you need to run "lxc-'command'" for actual lxc.

Re: Debian 12 “Bookworm”

#66
post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Moved back to Debian because of lxc on Ubuntu requiring snaps. Turns out same problem on Debian. Snapd consumes 100% cpu. All. The. Time. Hoping Bookworm will solve it. Else I will be moving to Archlinux, which has lxc without snapd.

I don't think lxc on Debian has ever needed snapd? https://packages.debian.org/bullseye/lxc

They're probably running lxd (which is only packaged for snap as far as I know), lxd is controlled by the "lxc" command (which isn't part of lxc...).

Re: Debian 12 “Bookworm”

#67
post #5

Congratulations to the Debian team! An important change appears to be the inclusion of non-free firmware by default in the official install image for the first time, as a result of this vote: https://www.debian.org/vote/2022/vote_003 Intriguing. I feel a little torn on this. One the one hand, I appreciate being able to install Debian from an official image onto a bothersome device. On the other, I can't help but feel…

I've never had a computer which would work with the official ideologically-pure installer. Always had to use the non-free one. I'm glad this vote turned out the way it did.

> I've never had a computer which would work with the official ideologically-pure installer.

I had more than once, back when I first installed Debian in the late 1900s and early 2000s, and I believe my experience wasn't unique.

Back then, not requiring any loadable firmware was common; the hardware either didn't require firmware, or came with the full firmware in a ROM chip in the device itself. And that explains the issue: Debian is an old distribution, coming from these times when not having non-free firmware (or even any firmware at all) in the distribution was viable, and often fully usable.

Re: Debian 12 “Bookworm”

#68
Just upgraded my Debian WSL distro and the experience couldn't have been more anti-climatic – I had to double-check lsb_release to make sure I'd actually upgraded, it was that seamless.

Re: Debian 12 “Bookworm”

#69
post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> On the other, I can't help but feel we're losing something when even a purist distribution like Debian is forced to concede in the fight against proprietary firmware blobs. The software needs hardware to run, and the whole point of the software is to make the hardware useful. If you can't use the hardware, what's the point of the software? In my book, freedom is a function of usefulness. No amount of redistributabl…

I disagree. I'm very disappointed that this "necessity" came into existence in the first place. By being forced to install non-free BLOBs to be able to use "our" devices we actually admit that we're not the ones who actually control "our" computers. That's admitting full defeat! You're not the owner of "your" devices. Given that computers are now kind of "brain extensions" this means you're not in control of a substa…

Then don't buy hardware that requires non-free firmware.

Re: Debian 12 “Bookworm”

#70
post #41

> The new systemd-resolved package will not be installed automatically on upgrades as it has been split into a separate package. If using the systemd-resolved system service, please install the new package manually after the upgrade, and note that until it has been installed, DNS resolution may no longer work as the service will not be present on the system. will installing over the internet work without DNS resoluti…

yes, as the script adds/replaces the sources.list lines, then apt i downloads the packages, only then it starts the installation of them
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