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First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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pier25 wrote: post #38
inconceivable wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

is it really this difficult to project 3-5 years into the future where this thing is cheaper, more powerful, and has an app library ... because all of the actual pros bought the launch model to develop software for it in 2024? then give it a 24-36 app dev cycle and you're going to hit the adoption curve. in about 5 years. this is literally how every single thing has worked in this industry for like 50 years now. are…

It's not going to get significantly cheaper though. Even at half the price it would still be quite expensive considering the roi.

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Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Post by eesmith »

7e wrote: post #54
sowbug wrote: post #23

24 million pixels across the two panels, orders of magnitude more than any headsets most consumers have come in contact with The Quest 2 has about 4 million, which is undoubtedly more than 0.24 million. Has "order of magnitude" joined "exponential" as another math expression stolen as a synonym for "rilly rilly rilly"?

It's more than one order magnitude, less than two. So, plural!

It's less than one order of magnitude. 4 million vs. 24 million is a factor of 6, not 10.

Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Post by bennyelv »

threeseed wrote: post #50
Laremere wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Weight placed on the face makes a qualitative difference. More weight means bigger straps and more pressure against the face to keep it there. If the Apple vision is light enough then it might not be an issue, but the size of the strap they're using hints that it's much more significant than most everyday wearable objects.

* Oakley Flight Deck Ski Goggles = 370g * Quest 2 = 503g Apple's headset has no battery and they are pretty good with weight management so likely to be on par with a pair of ski goggles. Which again people typically wear for many days at a time.

It’s not a completely valid comparison - the ski goggles are much closer to your face so have less of a moment on your neck. While the vision pro notionally looks like a set of goggles from the front, the side view shows that they’re just as big as every other VR headset.

I don’t think we’re really going to know what they feel like until someone not from Apple puts them on their head!

Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Post by nottorp »

Ilnsk wrote: post #27
nottorp wrote: post #22

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> Everyone. It's a laptop replacement. It is? As in it acts like a normal Mac OS machine that happens to be attached to your head, holds all your files and stuff without communicating to another PC? Can I just run IntelliJ on it and write code? Or does it just replace your monitor(s) ?

Can I run NVim on it?

> Can I run NVim on it?

Nooo it's an emacs device.

But seriously, can the early adopter type FAANG income techie use this for work standalone? Can it even act as virtual monitors for a Mac Studio?

Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Post by Rebelgecko »

theaussiestew wrote: post #42
poulsbohemian wrote: post #18

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>Everyone. It's a laptop replacement. Respectfully, even the iPad hasn't fully evolved into a laptop replacement, so why should we think this device will fit all the multitude of use cases that necessitate the computing power represented by a laptop / desktop device?

It's because it has a M2 and can be used as a monitor for an ordinary MacBook

Is it really a laptop replacement if it requires a laptop to do that?

Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Post by Onewildgamer »

7e wrote: post #52
nbittich wrote: post #34

Same pattern over and over, futuristic hardware, closed source software. This looks boring to me. I don't expect anything ground breaking from it. It's gonna be an iphone sticked to your eyes. Those big tech companies remove all the fun and excitement we used to have with new hardware. We know how it's gonna behave and it's limitation before it's released to the public.

Open source software developers could never approach the masterpiece of software craftsmanship is on display here. Only exceptional, highly paid professionals with intense focus can achieve this. Generally, those who can, do and get paid handsomely, those who can't, pretend by volunteering their open source. We're talking Hollywood composer vs. music teacher, here.

A polished UI is only what you are looking at, not what is underneath. You have failed to understand the years and years of hardwork poured by vast majority of OSS that helped building all the systems that underpin every single system out there.

Your comparison of OSS developers as tinkerers who can't reach the Megacorp scale is totally absurd. I've worked at these corporations, and out of 10 only 1 or 2 would reach a scale of a great developer. But, OSS developers innovations, contributions and impact surpasses any company out there.

Also, nobody in their right mind wants to work 80 hours a week competing with a team who's trying to better you, if you pit the developers against each other it doesn't matter how much you get paid, your time is owned by the large corp at the end of the day. Easy to undermine the work of OSS developers who go unappreciated and hail the rat racing corporations.

Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Post by andrewstuart »

inconceivable wrote: post #29
andrewstuart wrote: post #5

At USD$3500, who is it for? And who will develop software for something with such a small user base?

is it really this difficult to project 3-5 years into the future where this thing is cheaper, more powerful, and has an app library ... because all of the actual pros bought the launch model to develop software for it in 2024? then give it a 24-36 app dev cycle and you're going to hit the adoption curve. in about 5 years. this is literally how every single thing has worked in this industry for like 50 years now. are…

>>. am i REALLY that old? am i taking crazy pills?

What you are, is snarky.

The only times Apple ever did this in the past, the product flopped because it was too expensive.

Maybe other companies have been leading with expensive tech waiting for the market to catch up, but Apple hasn't - not since the Lisa anyway.

And yes I am on old fogey - ol enough to remember that the industry has been waiting for consumers to "catch up" to VR for many many years. It's not happening - VR is a niche. Ordinary people don't want to put a VR headset on - they just don't - there's no catching up because 99% of the people I know would never put on a headset except for one impressive demo and never again.

This thing will at best do "okay" - it's too expensive - there won't be a critical mass of software for it, and VR is a niche.

Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Post by infairverona »

nottorp wrote: post #22
MacsHeadroom wrote: post #7

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> At USD$3500, who is it for? Everyone. It's a laptop replacement. Realistically this "Pro" version is for early adopters. There will surely be a regular/SE/Lite version in a couple of years for the price of a MacBook Air. > And who will develop software for something with such a small user base? Everyone will, if they're smart. Being first to market on a new platform is huge, even if it will take a few years to have…

> Everyone. It's a laptop replacement. It is? As in it acts like a normal Mac OS machine that happens to be attached to your head, holds all your files and stuff without communicating to another PC? Can I just run IntelliJ on it and write code? Or does it just replace your monitor(s) ?

Has an M2 in it, so full laptop replacement.
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