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World’s oceans at record high temperature for 80 consecutive days

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Re: World’s oceans at record high temperature for 80 consecutive days

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

"it's about the reality that we might not have a future to offer our children." But wasn't that always the case? War was always around the corner and nuclear missile threat amplified it. Btw. it seems the war made russia change its stance and some official "scientific" commitee has decided, that climate warming comes simply from radiation inside earth that follows a natural pattern. So no need to not burn coal then.…

We were lucky nuclear war didn't happen, and it still might. I think the risk of nuclear war is higher now, with more nations having more weapons, fewer treaties preventing profession, and an increasingly multipolar power dynamic in international affairs.

I highly recommend this video:

https://youtu.be/jG8LJ0QkBo4

I too thought we were closer to nuclear war now. But really with US second strike capability, and the fact that many of the nuclear warhead numbers don’t take into account usable missiles, among other factors, makes me sleep a bit easier at night.

Re: World’s oceans at record high temperature for 80 consecutive days

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I find myself losing hope for humanity when I observe a significant portion of society in Germany, for instance, either voting for or intending to vote for a party known as the 'Alternative für Deutschland'. This party is primarily defined by what it opposes. Its supporters are often frustrated and resistant to evidence that their meat consumption contributes to climate change, or that fossil fuels exacerbate this global crisis. They seem to long for the past, harking back to the ways of the 1980s, and are generally resistant to change. They often resort to derogatory names for those advocating for environmental responsibility and believe in conspiracy theories about hidden powers controlling the media and society. These theories often involve notions of a deluge of immigrants designed to alter the fabric of Western societies and strip them of their privileges.

Engaging in rational debates with these individuals proves challenging, as they often dismiss any evidence presented as a sign that you are 'woke', deluded, or part of a clandestine group intent on their destruction.

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For an alternate take on this: https://twitter.com/ethicalskeptic/status/166465744222596300... His data suggests that the rate of rise in ocean temperatures can not possibly be due to man made circumstances and is instead due to earth core leakage.

This is such a poor interpretation of the data that it almost seems intentional. They're cherry-picking an arbitrary year for comparison over an arbitrary time range. There's many years you can select to draw similar bad comparisons. For example, select 2021 & 2015 and look at Feb 28 - March 5. Are you going to believe a sensationalist claim that "90% of SST rise between 2021 & 2015 arrived in 2 weeks"? Hopefully not…

This is a classic math pitfall, described by mathematician Jordan Ellenberg as "Don’t talk about percentages of numbers when the numbers might be negative" because they're more often confusing than illuminating.

https://slate.com/human-interest/2014/06/how-not-to-be-wrong...

Re: World’s oceans at record high temperature for 80 consecutive days

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It's certainly a strange time to be alive. I was explaining to my child my work in AI, showing him images of himself as a character from his DnD campaign and at the same time am gently introducing him to the increasingly dire state of our climate. For parents of my generation "the talk" is not about sex, it's about the reality that we might not have a future to offer our children. It feels like I am very literally li…

I think that’s a bit dramatic and airing on fear mongering. Other comment responses of OP have better sources, but I do not agree the “future is at risk” because of this. I’m more inclined to closely watch geopolitical events unfold, as US hegemony becomes slowly unstable and potentially untenable. If climate change were really really as dire as some say it is, we wouldn’t be half-assing our way via renewable energie…

> If climate change were really really as dire as some say it is, we wouldn’t be half-assing our way

Yes, this is why people are worried. It is dire and we are half-assing our responses.

Re: World’s oceans at record high temperature for 80 consecutive days

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> End of the world cults are a common feature of human societies, The different tech that can make good on the apocalypse are a relatively recent addition to the equation. We've had the ability to lay waste to the planet for just a handful of generations.

Another feature of human end of the world predictions is its always different this time.

Okay. So make the equation equate. How could humanity make most of the planet uninhabitable 1000 years ago?

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The warming of the oceans could lead to the following consequences: - Coral reef collapse and loss of marine biodiversity. - Accelerated sea-level rise, resulting in coastal flooding and displacement of populations. - Ocean acidification, harming shell-forming organisms and marine ecosystems. - Disruption of ocean currents, leading to altered weather patterns and increased extreme weather events, potentially causing…

ME: "Release of hydrogen sulfide (H2S) from warming ocean sediments and decaying organic matter, a potential extinction event." Is this a realistic possibility?

GPT-4:

The phenomenon you're describing is associated with an event referred to as a "Canfield Ocean" or "Strangelove Ocean." The hypothesis is named after paleoceanographer Donald Canfield, who proposed that several mass extinctions in Earth's history might have been caused by an increase in hydrogen sulfide (H2S) produced by sulfate-reducing bacteria when the oceans became depleted of oxygen (anoxic).

Under certain conditions, this is a theoretical possibility. If global warming were to result in widespread anoxia (lack of oxygen) in the oceans, it could potentially trigger a large-scale release of hydrogen sulfide gas. This gas is poisonous to most forms of aerobic life (those that require oxygen), and a significant increase in its concentration could lead to mass extinctions.

However, it's essential to note that while this hypothesis is theoretically plausible, it remains highly controversial, and the conditions required to trigger such an event are extreme. It's not a certainty that global warming would lead to widespread ocean anoxia, and even if it did, it's not clear that this would necessarily result in a large-scale release of H2S.

Moreover, our understanding of the exact causes and progression of the various mass extinctions in Earth's history remains incomplete, and there's ongoing debate among scientists about the role played by hydrogen sulfide. Other factors, such as volcanic eruptions, asteroid impacts, and changes in sea level, have also been implicated in these events.

To summarize, while the scenario you're describing is theoretically possible, it's still highly speculative and there's a lot we don't know. It's not something that's likely to happen in the near future, but it underlines the importance of taking ac

Re: World’s oceans at record high temperature for 80 consecutive days

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It's certainly a strange time to be alive. I was explaining to my child my work in AI, showing him images of himself as a character from his DnD campaign and at the same time am gently introducing him to the increasingly dire state of our climate. For parents of my generation "the talk" is not about sex, it's about the reality that we might not have a future to offer our children. It feels like I am very literally li…

"it's about the reality that we might not have a future to offer our children." But wasn't that always the case? War was always around the corner and nuclear missile threat amplified it. Btw. it seems the war made russia change its stance and some official "scientific" commitee has decided, that climate warming comes simply from radiation inside earth that follows a natural pattern. So no need to not burn coal then.…

War has indeed always threatened to take away our children's futures. Yet the possibility of peace is ever present.

The difference with climate change is the "peaceful" analog is vanishing. Humanity has always been able to choose peace. But we may soon not be able to choose to live on a healthy planet.

Re: World’s oceans at record high temperature for 80 consecutive days

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It's certainly a strange time to be alive. I was explaining to my child my work in AI, showing him images of himself as a character from his DnD campaign and at the same time am gently introducing him to the increasingly dire state of our climate. For parents of my generation "the talk" is not about sex, it's about the reality that we might not have a future to offer our children. It feels like I am very literally li…

I'm confused, what do you mean there's not going to be a future for them? No doubt there's going to be some challenges, but I thought all that carbon was in the atmosphere and oceans before it was sequestered by plants and alagae. I thought the major issue was the speed of change, but we really don't know what life is thing to do in response. According to this article, during the Cambrian, the earth was 10C hotter th…

I wouldn't characterize ocean ecosystems dying from the bottom up as "totally doable" but, sure, the resource wars probably won't kill off the entire human species.

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post #66
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The warming of the oceans could lead to the following consequences: - Coral reef collapse and loss of marine biodiversity. - Accelerated sea-level rise, resulting in coastal flooding and displacement of populations. - Ocean acidification, harming shell-forming organisms and marine ecosystems. - Disruption of ocean currents, leading to altered weather patterns and increased extreme weather events, potentially causing…

ME: "Release of hydrogen sulfide (H2S) from warming ocean sediments and decaying organic matter, a potential extinction event." Is this a realistic possibility? GPT-4: The phenomenon you're describing is associated with an event referred to as a "Canfield Ocean" or "Strangelove Ocean." The hypothesis is named after paleoceanographer Donald Canfield, who proposed that several mass extinctions in Earth's history might…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canfield_ocean

Also, this: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/no-strangelove...

"Sepúlveda's team was able to tell that the carbon in these post-impact sediments could only have been assembled into these hydrocarbons (and other compounds) in a functioning open ocean ecosystem with plenty of algae photosynthesizing away at a pretty good clip. Since these sediments were deposited right after the impact, the "Strangelove" ocean theory, with a vast lifeless sea, is highly unlikely."

Re: World’s oceans at record high temperature for 80 consecutive days

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It's certainly a strange time to be alive. I was explaining to my child my work in AI, showing him images of himself as a character from his DnD campaign and at the same time am gently introducing him to the increasingly dire state of our climate. For parents of my generation "the talk" is not about sex, it's about the reality that we might not have a future to offer our children. It feels like I am very literally li…

I think that’s a bit dramatic and airing on fear mongering. Other comment responses of OP have better sources, but I do not agree the “future is at risk” because of this. I’m more inclined to closely watch geopolitical events unfold, as US hegemony becomes slowly unstable and potentially untenable. If climate change were really really as dire as some say it is, we wouldn’t be half-assing our way via renewable energie…

I do wish we could overcome our squeamishness about nuclear. Because our climate circumstances are indeed dangerous. And in my opinion, they're quite a bit more dangerous than nuclear power would be, if we committed to scaling it up with a reasonable balance of safety and cost-effectiveness. It is only expensive because we hold it to a much higher standard of safety than any other power source. And understandably so, to some extent, because the tail risk from operating nuclear is greater, but we are facing tail risk from fossil fuels warming the planet as well, and I think that tail risk is much greater and much harder to control than that from nuclear.

I think we need less moralism and fear of complex systems, and more hard-headed, engineering-led cost-benefit analysis.

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