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Re: Leaked source – CS:GO

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The title says "open source" but then goes on to talk about leaked source. Unless a clean room RE was done, I don't think this can be called "open source". I want the thing in the title to exist, of course, but at best this seems like the sort of thing that won't be legal and free until we're all dead. If anyone was interested in making a properly free CS:GO, they probably should avoid reading this post as it seems t…

For a lot of people, “the source code being available” is what “open source” means. Licences, to many people, are the domain of really fucking boring crusty nerds.

Then a lot of people are objectively wrong. The license is an incredibly important and central part of what makes code open source or not. What you're describing is "source available". Failure to pay attention to the licensing can end you up in very big and expensive legal trouble. I strongly encourage you to update your terminology for you and anyone you communicate with's own safety.

Re: Leaked source – CS:GO

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> Some weird schizoid managed to grab both these codebases during his work on some 900th attempt of a HL2 VR project and his major goal was to have this circle leak it to the public and fly to his girlfriends house (also involved in the valve community) and kill himself and her.

What the fuck? This is so weird.

Re: Leaked source – CS:GO

#64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For a lot of people, “the source code being available” is what “open source” means. Licences, to many people, are the domain of really fucking boring crusty nerds.

Then a lot of people are objectively wrong. The license is an incredibly important and central part of what makes code open source or not. What you're describing is "source available". Failure to pay attention to the licensing can end you up in very big and expensive legal trouble. I strongly encourage you to update your terminology for you and anyone you communicate with's own safety.

The license isn't enforcable everywhere the same way. Typically a license is in a project but not always. It's kind of on you to figure that out.

Re: Leaked source – CS:GO

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post #15
post #7

The title says "open source" but then goes on to talk about leaked source. Unless a clean room RE was done, I don't think this can be called "open source". I want the thing in the title to exist, of course, but at best this seems like the sort of thing that won't be legal and free until we're all dead. If anyone was interested in making a properly free CS:GO, they probably should avoid reading this post as it seems t…

General point: Clean room reverse engineering is a common approach, from corporations keen to minimise their liability. Nonetheless, clean room RE is not a legal requirement: certainly not in the EU, nor AIUI in the US. The EU allows reverse engineering for interoperability. The EU allows reimplementations of APIs (as does the US). The EU also explicitly allows decompilation, where necessary.

Wait, there are EU regulations on this topic? I understood there wasn’t a common framework, and instead each countries in the EU have their own approach.

Edit: I was wrong, I found the following: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_Programs_Directive

> (Art. 5). The legal owner of a program is assumed to have a licence to create any copies necessary to use the program and to alter the program within its intended purpose (e.g. for error correction). The legal owner may also make a back-up copy for his or her personal use. The program may also be decompiled if this is necessary to ensure it operates with another program or device (Art. 6), but the results of the decompilation may not be used for any other purpose without infringing the copyright in the program.

Re: Leaked source – CS:GO

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post #45
post #7

The title says "open source" but then goes on to talk about leaked source. Unless a clean room RE was done, I don't think this can be called "open source". I want the thing in the title to exist, of course, but at best this seems like the sort of thing that won't be legal and free until we're all dead. If anyone was interested in making a properly free CS:GO, they probably should avoid reading this post as it seems t…

what the fk cares about copyright, this is coming from community of game hackers. They don't care.

Anyone who cares about open source by definition cares about copyright. That’s what the concepts of free software and open source software are built upon.

Re: Leaked source – CS:GO

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post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No. Both of these terms are well described by the relevant organizations [1][2]. And "source the happens to be public" or "leaked source" does not imply any particular license. [1] https://opensource.org/ [2] https://www.fsf.org/

I mean, you're not saying that this project is "closed source" either, right? So what is it if not "open source" on the scale between closed and open? "Half-open source"? "Leaked source" only refers to the way the source has initially began to be distributed, not whether it's open/closed right now.

It’s more like someone illegally distributing a closed source program.

Re: Leaked source – CS:GO

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post #11
post #7

The title says "open source" but then goes on to talk about leaked source. Unless a clean room RE was done, I don't think this can be called "open source". I want the thing in the title to exist, of course, but at best this seems like the sort of thing that won't be legal and free until we're all dead. If anyone was interested in making a properly free CS:GO, they probably should avoid reading this post as it seems t…

This person is really confused about licenses and copyright. > Please note that this code is property of Valve-Software and any contributions that you make are considered a donation into the public domain.

Unlike other commenters, I think the author of the article meant to say you can't hope to license contributions built ontop leaked code, obviously, so it'll always be a gray area that one could call "public domain".

Re: Leaked source – CS:GO

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post #66
post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

what the fk cares about copyright, this is coming from community of game hackers. They don't care.

Anyone who cares about open source by definition cares about copyright. That’s what the concepts of free software and open source software are built upon.

I will continue to release my code without a license, glad that it makes corporations and their drones seethe.

Re: Leaked source – CS:GO

#70

This world view is quite perplexing, to be frank. On one hand, he urges potential users to switch to Linux, emphasizing its cost-free nature and the freedom it offers in terms of code and game direction. However, on the other hand, the code being used is stolen and leaked, thus infringing on the original creator's copyright. Additionally, the repository's license claims that all contributions are considered public do…

In jurisdictions with weak/non-existing copyright laws or copyright law enforcement, there is not much difference between "the source code can be found somewhere on the internet" and "open source". Quite a large part of the world people is living in such jurisdictions.
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