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Arm announces the Cortex X4 for 2024, plus a 14-core M2-fighter

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Re: Arm announces the Cortex X4 for 2024, plus a 14-core M2-fighter

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Post by dagmx »

ksec wrote: post #52
dagmx wrote: post #33

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Yep, Mediatek for example just announced an ARM processor with NVidia components and there’s already arm processors with AMD GPUs. No other manufacturer seems to be beholden to the terms that Qualcomm is claiming. I’m very inclined to say QC are trying to push for sympathy in the tech sphere.

>I’m very inclined to say QC are trying to push for sympathy in the tech sphere. And it works every well if you were to judge it by comments on Twitter, HN and Reddit.

I think it’s a testament to how people like Drama more than they like nuance.

Technical people are just as prone to it as anyone else.

Re: Arm announces the Cortex X4 for 2024, plus a 14-core M2-fighter

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Post by arp242 »

dagmx wrote: post #60
ksec wrote: post #54

>Today an iPhone 14 Pro embarrasses Arm's best with 63 percent higher single-core scores in Geekbench compared to an X3-equipped Snapdragon 8 Gen 2. > but these launch events have a history of making performance claims that don't align with what actually arrives in consumers' hands. Sigh. Both are factually wrong. First point, Where the heck did that 63 percent came from? The iPhone 14 is about 38% faster. With much…

I really wish Ars would let Ron Amadeo go, or PiP him. Their other writers are much better. He’s woefully technically inept, his articles often have unchecked errors like this and he jumps to bombastic conclusions like the whole Samsung ROM size issue. Almost certainly, when I see complaints about writing on Ars, it’s a Ron piece.

But who will obsess over bezel sizes?! I need to know about the bezel sizes from Ron!

At this point it would almost be a good idea to bring Peter Bright back to replace him. Almost...

Re: Arm announces the Cortex X4 for 2024, plus a 14-core M2-fighter

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Post by qwytw »

smoldesu wrote: post #30
qwytw wrote: post #22

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Iphone and Macs are obviously huge in the enterprise market though.

If I had a dime for every lifestyle product that was "obviously huge in the enterprise" I could fund the next WeWork in a cash deposit.

I don't know maybe you would maybe you wouldn't.

All I know that huge numbers of employees of both large and small companies regularly use company provided Macs and Iphones for work. Are you actually disputing that? Really?

Re: Arm announces the Cortex X4 for 2024, plus a 14-core M2-fighter

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Post by qwytw »

smoldesu wrote: post #46
brookst wrote: post #44

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https://www.computerworld.com/article/3644494/2021-the-year-... > By 2021, this migration had become a trend. IDC claimed macOS device use across US enterprises reached 23% while iPhones accounted for 49% of business smartphones and iPads accounted for most tablets used in the workplace.

Having enterprise customers and being a lifestyle product is not mutually exclusive, especially in American business.

And? Companies can target multiple markets simultaneously? I mean basically every other phone or PC manufacturer has tried to become a lifestyle product Apple has just been way more successful at it...

> especially in American business.

Well more American business can afford spending an extra $1000-2000 on superior hardware* for their employees without thinking about it that much. What's wrong with that?

*comparable laptops for Dell, Lenovo, HP etc. cost not that much less for Macs. What's the difference between a Dell XPS and a Macbook in that regard? Or Dell is also a lifestyle brand?

Re: Arm announces the Cortex X4 for 2024, plus a 14-core M2-fighter

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Post by qwytw »

smoldesu wrote: post #55
brookst wrote: post #49

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This seems to offend you for some reason. Apple's just doing age-old value selling, where you promote the benefits of a product rather than the features. See https://blog.hubspot.com/sales/value-based-selling

It might shock you to learn that I don't really care :) I doubt Pat Gelsinger does either, since he's publicly stated that Intel would fab Apple Silicon chips at their ARM foundry if/when TSMC goes offline. The guy's just having a laugh by putting an awfully accurate label on a fruit that pays extra to resist labeling.

> I doubt Pat Gelsinger does either

Maybe he should start caring* otherwise he risk running Intel completely into the ground? After all Apple was one of their largest clients until recently. Then a "lifestyle company" managed to somehow design better CPUs than Intel despite that just being an afterthought for them (since apparently Apple only focuses on the "lifestyle" stuff..).

I find it so fascinating the people get really obsessed by Apple (both in a negative and a positive way).

> I don't really care :)

Well a string of your comments would imply that you could actually care less about Apple.

*(I'm pretty sure he does in non imaginary reality )

Re: Arm announces the Cortex X4 for 2024, plus a 14-core M2-fighter

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Post by hardware2win »

awestroke wrote: post #38
hardware2win wrote: post #35

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>But it's clear Apple is very likely the largest manufacturer of CPUs. Manufacturer? Where are Apple's fabs located at?

Not TSMC, that's for sure. TSMC is using ASML machines to etch the transistors, so by your logic ASML is the biggest CPU manufacturer

>so by your logic ASML is the biggest CPU manufacturer

No? How?

The logic is pretty simple

Chip designers are fabless companies: AMD, Apple, etc.

Chip makers are companies that physically manufacture those CPUs, so TSMC, Intel, etc.

There is edge case if chip maker has some designs that are created in another company's fabs, but is it relevant for this discussion? I dont think.

Re: Arm announces the Cortex X4 for 2024, plus a 14-core M2-fighter

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Post by pjmlp »

f6v wrote: post #17
smoldesu wrote: post #4

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It's not surprising, anyone who sells iPhones is going to need a lot of chips. Gelsinger wasn't half wrong anyways - outside the consumer hardware market Apple is a no-show.

> outside the consumer hardware market Apple is a no-show. I don’t have the data, but tech companies are often full of Macs. Sometimes I also see small businesses running iMacs.

Not so much outside a couple of G20 like countries, Windows and GNU/Linux win out.

Then there are all the electronic devices that have CPUs on them and don't run any kind of Apple related software.

Re: Arm announces the Cortex X4 for 2024, plus a 14-core M2-fighter

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Post by smoldesu »

qwytw wrote: post #65
smoldesu wrote: post #55

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It might shock you to learn that I don't really care :) I doubt Pat Gelsinger does either, since he's publicly stated that Intel would fab Apple Silicon chips at their ARM foundry if/when TSMC goes offline. The guy's just having a laugh by putting an awfully accurate label on a fruit that pays extra to resist labeling.

> I doubt Pat Gelsinger does either Maybe he should start caring* otherwise he risk running Intel completely into the ground? After all Apple was one of their largest clients until recently. Then a "lifestyle company" managed to somehow design better CPUs than Intel despite that just being an afterthought for them (since apparently Apple only focuses on the "lifestyle" stuff..). I find it so fascinating the people ge…

Apple should be able to design better CPUs than Intel. They've poached their chip designers for over a decade, and have been the world's largest company for years. Beating Intel's single-core IPC is so easy that AMD did it with Ryzen for a laugh - if Apple couldn't do it on RISC, they may as well have given up making chips entirely.

I own no stock in Intel or Apple. It's worth discussing to me because it exposes how insecure people are about relying on "lifestyle" companies. Even Intel is a lifestyle company for some people, and those users are equally as pathetic as the people who let Apple, AMD or Nvidia define who they are. If Apple didn't go to such extreme lengths to appear different and look accountable, their staunchest defenders wouldn't have so far to fall.

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