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Hacking my “smart” toothbrush

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Re: Hacking my “smart” toothbrush

#61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Welcome Time Travellers! This is 2023 where you can find yourself locked out of your toothbrush after too many failed password attempts.

Guess we'll have to brute force clean our teeth by moving the locked toothbrush up and down, side to side, and in circular motions.

That might be a violation of the EULA.

(I'm just kidding. I hope...)

Re: Hacking my “smart” toothbrush

#62

Kind of concerning this could turn into another toner ink situation

It has already happened. Philips has designated 3x months for a single toothbrush lifespan, which may or may not be the case (depending on one's toothbrush using habits) as the head clearly does not annihilate automagically after three months. For the sake of the conversation, let's say the recommendation is valid.

Where it gets more interesting, though, is actually not at Philips but at shops that sell replacement heads. Sale assistants do go out of their way to actually lie to their customers and tell them that a single toothbrush head will last, like, many-many-many months. And when asked at the next shop visit about why the toothbrush started yelling three months after replacing it, they will blink their eyes and literally inform the customer of «having never heard before about it from any other customers». The situation happens on a regular basis, and the only recourse that works with such people is brushing the pesky flies aside and politely ignoring them. Since not every customer can or does that, the ink business of electric toothbrush replacement heads prospers.

Re: Hacking my “smart” toothbrush

#63
Me, dumb: I change my Sonicare toothbrush head whenever it tells me to. I haven’t had a cavity in 8 years.

You, a clever toothbrush-hacking genius: haha, the head is new again!

This is neat, and I find the process of reverse engineering the Sonicare toothbrush fascinating, especially sniffing the NFC communication, but please change your toothbrush head every three months.

Re: Hacking my “smart” toothbrush

#64

I have one, but it never occurred to me to want to hack it. "But how do you know when it's time to change the brush?" Well, how about when it starts getting soft?

I replace brush when I feel it's the time. Every time after I replaced it, the difference is bigger than expected. I should replace it earlier. Maybe I should buy this Philips.

Re: Hacking my “smart” toothbrush

#65
post #47

I have one, but it never occurred to me to want to hack it. "But how do you know when it's time to change the brush?" Well, how about when it starts getting soft?

I swap toothbrush heads 4-5 times a day (a couple times per brushing session) and one of my major issues until now was that I didn't know how long I had used any individual toothbrush head and when to replace them (I didn't start using all of them at the same time). With per-head usage tracking this is much easier... I wasn't expecting it, but I'm glad Phlips is considering and supporting my use case.

Hahaha thanks for the laugh

Re: Hacking my “smart” toothbrush

#66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I must press too hard a dental hygienist told me to hold it with just the thumb and forefinger. I can't quite manage that, but if you look at how drummers hold their sticks, it's never in a fist. Their arms wouldn't last through one show like that. So if you at least take your little finger off it, the amount of pressure goes down.

> but if you look at how drummers hold their sticks, it's never in a fist Watch Roy Mayorga.

> "Reversed, the way the weight of the stick meets the head is just insanely loud. It makes your drum project so much more, if that’s what you want. That’s when you’ve really got to stretch your arms out, because the weight of the stick makes for a lot of wear and tear on your forearms."

  https://drummagazine.com/roy-mayorga-the-soulfly-interview/
I'm not a drummer, so I shouldn't make blanket statements like that, I guess. I always thought they held the sticks loosely.

Look at Ginger Baker & Elvin Jones, from 0:56 on.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFTvZl8G9Z4

Or Roy Haynes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBeBnnqpOcs

Re: Hacking my “smart” toothbrush

#67
I kind hoped the conclusion would be that you could unlock hidden features in the brush head, increase the torque and reset the head so that you don't have to replace it.

But alternatively, since the head has an NFC tag, could you use it for stuff like a partnership with Marriott (open your hotel door with your toothbrush, so much convenience) or with transit companies to charge your monthly transit pass?

Possibilities of an NFC-enabled toothbrush head are infinite. The future truly is fascinating.

Re: Hacking my “smart” toothbrush

#68
I really don't think that permabrick after N incorrect attempts should ever have been considered as a sane feature. That allows denial of service extremely easily.

What needs security just enough that it can't just be unencrypted, but also can't afford real security (like long passwords or public keys)?

Does this have any use aside from DRM products?

Re: Hacking my “smart” toothbrush

#70

dumbest waste of materials. for what? just to waste more battery when i travel with it without a charger?

We need a law like EUs USB-C law, except forbidding non-Qi wireless charging unless you have a significant technical advantage over Qi.

Then we'd always have a charger.

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