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Re: I have resigned from all roles in rustlang, effective immediately

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My understanding of the situation is this: At the request of Rust Project, JeanHeyd is asked to give a keynote at RustConf. JeanHeyd is reluctant, worried that their topic is too speculative and too much like a proposal for implementing a Rust feature. They ask around and get told it’s definitely ok, please don’t decline the talk, etc. Later, after the talk is prepared, RustConf contacts JeanHeyd to say their talk ha…

Completely unrelated, but as a non native speaker of English I was completely lost in the "their"s, not knowing who they refer to. Then I realized that JT may prefer to be addressed this way, which is indeed the case according to their Twitter handle. It is a shame that better pronouns were not promoted in English to simplify the understanding of sentences where they both refer to a single person and a group.

I noticed this when I was writing it and tried to use names rather than pronouns as much as possible. I actually use “their” all the time for everyone, I wasn’t aware that JT requests it in their Twitter profile. About fifteen years ago, when I first heard about gender-neutral pronouns, the objection at the time was “it’s harder to write and more confusing”. I started doing it as a challenge to see if it really was hard or not. In that fifteen years, you are in fact the first person to have ever noticed and said something (congratulations).

Re: I have resigned from all roles in rustlang, effective immediately

#62
post #61

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Completely unrelated, but as a non native speaker of English I was completely lost in the "their"s, not knowing who they refer to. Then I realized that JT may prefer to be addressed this way, which is indeed the case according to their Twitter handle. It is a shame that better pronouns were not promoted in English to simplify the understanding of sentences where they both refer to a single person and a group.

I noticed this when I was writing it and tried to use names rather than pronouns as much as possible. I actually use “their” all the time for everyone, I wasn’t aware that JT requests it in their Twitter profile. About fifteen years ago, when I first heard about gender-neutral pronouns, the objection at the time was “it’s harder to write and more confusing”. I started doing it as a challenge to see if it really was h…

> In that fifteen years, you are in fact the first person to have ever noticed and said something (congratulations).

This may be because I am French and we do not "reuse" pronouns (in the sense that "their" always refers to a group). I know however that "their" use in single form has a long history in English and I therefore try to use "their" like you most of the time when it helps to generalize.

We have new constructs in French such as iel (il + elle = he + she) which is used by some and by others not (and forbidden (or very strongly discouraged, I do not remember) in national education). I do not know if this is good or bad, it has the advantage to address males and females as a group (it is otherwise "he" or "hes" (plural of "he")).

Re: I have resigned from all roles in rustlang, effective immediately

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Completely unrelated, but as a non native speaker of English I was completely lost in the "their"s, not knowing who they refer to. Then I realized that JT may prefer to be addressed this way, which is indeed the case according to their Twitter handle. It is a shame that better pronouns were not promoted in English to simplify the understanding of sentences where they both refer to a single person and a group.

English is extremely stingy with pronouns in general; beyond singular vs plural they, there's also no proper plural you, no modern informal you (it was 'thou', but that's archaic), no exclusive vs inclusive we, and so on.

> no exclusive vs inclusive we

Thank you for teaching me something - I did not know that this existed (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clusivity)

Re: I have resigned from all roles in rustlang, effective immediately

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Completely unrelated, but as a non native speaker of English I was completely lost in the "their"s, not knowing who they refer to. Then I realized that JT may prefer to be addressed this way, which is indeed the case according to their Twitter handle. It is a shame that better pronouns were not promoted in English to simplify the understanding of sentences where they both refer to a single person and a group.

English is extremely stingy with pronouns in general; beyond singular vs plural they, there's also no proper plural you, no modern informal you (it was 'thou', but that's archaic), no exclusive vs inclusive we, and so on.

> there's also no proper plural you

I don't know what y'all are talking about.

Re: I have resigned from all roles in rustlang, effective immediately

#67
post #39
post #21

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They reached out to him to give a talk he wasn’t ready to do. He obliges, works to make it happen, and gets blindsided by organizational politics. If he feels the organization and leadership neither respect him personally or his efforts, it’s a perfectly proportionate response. Not sure how I’d react in his exact situation, but once trust and mutual respect are gone, so am I.

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Re: I have resigned from all roles in rustlang, effective immediately

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English is extremely stingy with pronouns in general; beyond singular vs plural they, there's also no proper plural you, no modern informal you (it was 'thou', but that's archaic), no exclusive vs inclusive we, and so on.

> there's also no proper plural you I don't know what y'all are talking about.

All y'all use y'all?

Re: I have resigned from all roles in rustlang, effective immediately

#69

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Completely unrelated, but as a non native speaker of English I was completely lost in the "their"s, not knowing who they refer to. Then I realized that JT may prefer to be addressed this way, which is indeed the case according to their Twitter handle. It is a shame that better pronouns were not promoted in English to simplify the understanding of sentences where they both refer to a single person and a group.

English is extremely stingy with pronouns in general; beyond singular vs plural they, there's also no proper plural you, no modern informal you (it was 'thou', but that's archaic), no exclusive vs inclusive we, and so on.

“You guys” is the plural form of “you” for the majority of American English-speakers in colloquial contexts.

Re: I have resigned from all roles in rustlang, effective immediately

#70
post #68

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> there's also no proper plural you I don't know what y'all are talking about.

All y'all use y'all?

I love y'all, both the word and y'all. Wish it was more widely used outside of the US South.
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