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Re: Ableton Push 3

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Post by capableweb »

dottjt wrote: post #45

Personally, I don't really like the Push platform, having previously owned a Push 2. I can understand the value of it if you're performing live, however the hard reality is that it's a really inefficient way to create electronic music. The mouse and keyboard are simply a lot faster to use. With that said, maybe that's for you. But if you're trying to make advanced productions as quickly as possible, then I really see…

> The mouse and keyboard are simply a lot faster to use.

It's really up to personal preference and what you are most trained with. I'm sure I could make a full song faster than at least 50% of Ableton users on a Analog Rytm and/or the Octatrack, as I could probably do that workflow in my sleep. But I'm also use that 99% of Ableton users could use Ableton faster than me to create full songs, simply because I'm much more used to using hardware than software.

Just like some people are better with console controllers than keyboard/mouse, even when playing FPS games, it's just a matter of practice (although FPS example has a skill-ceiling I don't think exists in music creation, so slightly shitty example)

Re: Ableton Push 3

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Post by Zobat »

Zobat wrote: post #63

So they built a Linnstrument? Honestly don't know who was first, but I know I looked at the Linnstrument a long time ago (when my daughter Linn was really young, she's 13 now). The Linnstrument looks better and has more buttons, and more is better, right? https://www.rogerlinndesign.com/linnstrument

"Looks better" meaning "aesthetically more pleasing".

Re: Ableton Push 3

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Post by basisword »

vemv wrote: post #21

I own a Push 1 and 2, although at hobbyist level. The standalone Push 3 seems a great step forward. macOS has increasingly become user-hostile when it comes to audio (and other pro) users. For instance I have an expensive sound card that became useless with after a minor OS upgrade. I never got to troubleshoot it or find an official solution. That was incredibly discouraging - enough to move on to other hobbies. And…

>> And I'm a programmer - don't want to imagine the pains that musicians have to go through.

Anyone doing it professionally will check all of their plugins/hardware has support for the latest macOS version before updating.

Re: Ableton Push 3

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Post by siquick »

cageface wrote: post #10
grafzhl wrote: post #2

Been making electronic music for well over a decade, but always in the classic DAW arrangement view, at most using MIDI keyboards in terms of haptic input devices but relying on mouse and keyboard 95% of the time. I look at devices like Push or Maschine and my immediate thought is how tedious it seems to get anything done with them. I find the different approaches to manifesting musical ideas endlessly fascinating.

I find grid based systems like Ableton great for getting short loops together but making the jump to a finished track is a lot harder. I have folders full of sketches I've built up in years of using it but very few things I'd call finished.

What I do to get over this - as soon as I have an 8+ bar loop i like i paste it into Arrangement view so it fills up a 5 minute song, and then I start taking parts out. Gives me a basic “song” to start fleshing out.

Re: Ableton Push 3

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Post by likeclockwork »

wheels wrote: post #29
capableweb wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Was wondering this too. Considering Ableton itself doesn't support Linux out-of-the-box, wonder if the device runs some sort of Windows on it, or if Ableton for Linux might be coming in the future. Maschine+ by Native Instruments (basically the same device but by another company) runs Linux although Maschine desktop software does not support Linux, so maybe I shouldn't get my hopes up.

I used to work for NI, and at that time (15 years ago) almost everything worked on Linux. But it wasn't shipped because of packaging and support. Now that I'm back to the audio software business, our current product has shipped on Linux so far, but we're dropping support in the next version because of the disproportionate support costs. To a first approximation, Linux support a bit more expensive than supporting macO…

I hope you don't work on anything I depend on!

Re: Ableton Push 3

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Post by [deleted] »

capableweb wrote: post #58
neom wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They said version 2 will be a midi generator, version 1 a midi controller. I have an OP-1 and OP-Z, looking to go in a different direction.

That doesn't make much sense. A MIDI controller generates MIDI notes, like when you press a key there is two MIDI notes being sent, one "on" and one "off". When you use something like an arpeggiator, the MIDI controller would generate one MIDI note each 1/8 for as long as you hold the key. Or what would be the functional difference between a MIDI generator and controller?

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Re: Ableton Push 3

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Post by hammyhavoc »

wheels wrote: post #43
pabs3 wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

By support do you mean that Linux users have more questions than macOS/Windows users? Or that porting/writing/updating/building the code takes more time?

It's a bunch of stuff. - Standard libraries for audio software are less tested on Linux and tend to be buggier there, and we have to chase down those bugs. - There are a bajillion versions of Linux, and even if you say you only support some subset of those, Linux users will ignore that and still write to support when it doesn't work on their distro / version. Sometimes that even extends to writing bad reviews online.…

If it were me, I'd just focus on making sure it works well on Fedora. PipeWire is in the OOBE, and is where a good chunk of pro audio folks have settled due to top-notch PipeWire support.

Re: Ableton Push 3

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Post by psd1 »

franky47 wrote: post #31

From the Ondes Martenot [1] to the Haken Continuum fingerboard [2], this type of wiggling finger motion for vibrato is so intuitive, I wish more discrete controllers proposed it as a per-note pitch bend (which MPE makes possible, but can also be achieved with RPN/NRPNs in MIDI 1.x). [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlzPHeN1VLQ [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mrmp2EaVChI

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