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The $40M bet that made South Korea a food and cultural power

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Re: The $40M bet that made South Korea a food and cultural power

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South Korea is reaping the dividend of the demographic transition right now. They are where Japan was in the 1980s. They played their cards very well and were able to build up both hard and soft power during the growth years.

Crashing population, massive child suicide rate, terrible dictator families running the nation and an outright cult controlling even more… I really don’t think we should hold SK up for anything other than what aggressive capitalism does to a society. Kills it off.

>Crashing population

Why do so many, such as yourself - apparently - believe that population growth is superior to population shrinkage? Are you pushing an immigration agenda or is there some other reason? And when should a population stop growing? Are overpopulation, the crowding of cities, and environmental destruction that result from population growth less worse problems than problems stemming from population shrinkage? And what are the problems resulting from population shrinkage, according to you?

>Massive child suicide rate

All of East Asia is ignorant of mental health issues, in general. It's not a SK-specific problem.

>Terrible dictator families

The people of SK know this is a problem. Of all modern nations, the SK youth has the strongest negative perception of its country's politicians. Perhaps give it some time and the youth of the nation will do away with this problem.

Even with its problems, SK is one of the best countries in the world. The people are a genetic mix of Ghengis Khan's warriors and the above-triple-digit Yayoi people. They are aggressive, intelligent, and surprisingly welcoming to outsiders.

Re: The $40M bet that made South Korea a food and cultural power

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I can assure you that sushi was not weird to most Americans 10 years ago. Maybe 40 years.

It was not weird to urban yuppies but it has made tremendous inroads in the middle-aged suburban/middle-America demographic. I come from a mid sized city in a less developed part of the US and sushi is much more available there now than 10 years ago. And yes 10 years ago most people 35+ in that area found it strange

Okay, I don’t disagree. But “most people 35+ in less-developed parts of the US” is not the same as “most Americans”.

Re: The $40M bet that made South Korea a food and cultural power

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It was not weird to urban yuppies but it has made tremendous inroads in the middle-aged suburban/middle-America demographic. I come from a mid sized city in a less developed part of the US and sushi is much more available there now than 10 years ago. And yes 10 years ago most people 35+ in that area found it strange

Okay, I don’t disagree. But “most people 35+ in less-developed parts of the US” is not the same as “most Americans”.

I think literally speaking it is most Americans. By less developed I don't mean rural, just not a major city like LA or NYC.

Re: The $40M bet that made South Korea a food and cultural power

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It is mentioned in the article, saying that "Thailand was the first country to launch a formal gastrodiplomacy plan with its 2002 Global Thai campaign." About Thai food, it is interesting to note that Pad Thai, often considered to be the national dish, was in fact made for that purpose. Originating from the mid 20th century, it is hardly traditional. That doesn't make it less delicious, and while it is one of the mos…

> Originating from the mid 20th century, it is hardly traditional Why can’t something 70 years old be traditional? Most “traditional” things aren’t as old as people imagine, anyway.

You only have to look back as far as the "great exchange" when Europeans first visited the Americas to realize many traditional food isn't that old. Gnocchi being made from potatoes and anything tomato based in Italian cooking. Or chili peppers in Indian recipes.

Re: The $40M bet that made South Korea a food and cultural power

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For k-pop, Japan has notoriously been very tight with licensing restrictions on music. That allowed Korea to leap ahead.

Not just music, Japan have been extremely tight with at least anime and visual novels as well.

For example: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36016653

Re: The $40M bet that made South Korea a food and cultural power

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For k-pop, Japan has notoriously been very tight with licensing restrictions on music. That allowed Korea to leap ahead.

Not just music, Japan have been extremely tight with at least anime and visual novels as well. For example: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36016653

Webtoons (a Korean company) is probably more popular than manga now for this reason.

Re: The $40M bet that made South Korea a food and cultural power

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post #67

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Not just music, Japan have been extremely tight with at least anime and visual novels as well. For example: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36016653

Webtoons (a Korean company) is probably more popular than manga now for this reason.

Is this the place you're meaning?

https://www.webtoons.com/en/

If that's the one, it looks like an online manga reading website. There are many of those around. eg mangakatana, reaperscans, mangadex, etc

Re: The $40M bet that made South Korea a food and cultural power

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post #67

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Webtoons (a Korean company) is probably more popular than manga now for this reason.

Is this the place you're meaning? https://www.webtoons.com/en/ If that's the one, it looks like an online manga reading website. There are many of those around. eg mangakatana, reaperscans, mangadex, etc

Webtoons is site with official translations, was created by https://naver.com/ to combat fan translations (and this fan translations made many of Korean manhwas popular around the world in the first place). Manga are Japanese comics, manhwa are Korean comics, and manhua are Chinese comics.

All other sites you mentioned are fan translations (scanlations).

Re: The $40M bet that made South Korea a food and cultural power

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Hopefully America isn't about to experience the exact same thing. The similarities abound as our population grays and reproduction is at all time lows. https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SP.DYN.TFRT.IN?location... US net migration is declining drastically also. https://econofact.org/the-decline-in-u-s-net-migration

Japan's stock market has been trending sideways for decades. Housing values only depreciate to zero over time. Japanese people have no way to easily invest locally. They no longer buy stocks. Virtually, the only reason to buy stock now is for discounts (e.g., buy transportation stocks for discounts on tickets; buy grocery store stocks for discounts on food). If America is headed this way, this is what to expect.

> Housing values only depreciate to zero over time.

That's true for every country, it's land that appreciates.

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