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Framework Laptop 13 review: a DIY dream come true

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Re: Framework Laptop 13 review: a DIY dream come true

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whats a traditional machine? it sounds a lot better than the system76 i had prior to it

Macbooks have great speakers, wondering if that's what he meant

Dude.. macbooks are famously outlier way better than anyone else for sound. Framework is the same as 99% everyone else on that item.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 review: a DIY dream come true

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I'm happy to answer questions that folks have around this product.

I'm having the worst time hunting down a Cooler Master Mainboard Case ... seems like y'all have not had these in stock the numerous times I've checked, today even, https://frame.work/products/cooler-master-mainboard-case. Any inside info for us from Cooler Master on supply or ETA on stock from your sales page?

I've tried direct with Cooler Master. The online store has 3 pages of cases, https://store.coolermaster.com/us/cases-2?pagenumber=3 none included Framework's. Next I checked CM's 'find a store' which dead ends at suggesting Micro Center or Game Stop, which neither I find carry them.

I don't have a 3d printer on-hand and don't think this warrants 100-200$ printer purchase. Should I go hunt around for some folks to help at a local college or hobby shop instead?

I certainly can see up-cycling my 11th gen mainboard into a homelab asset with proxmox this year though. Without a mainboard case for this 11th gen on-hand though, I'll also not consider a mainboard upgrade.

Any insight or guidance?

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Can you please elaborate on why the new mobo is so much more power efficient? If anything is due to software (e.g. BIOS), will you be able to backport these changes to previous version? Also agree with reviewer's comments about privacy shutters being hard to see. My family members have complained about "laptop['s webcam] doesn't work" when the shutters were closed. This caused unnecessary bad experiences with using t…

As a counterpoint, I love that they're subtle. I don't want big things glaring out at me. (But when they're disabled, there is an orange section. If you don't know that it's possible, as your family probably doesn't, you won't think anything of it, but it's easy to see at a glance the status.)

> If you don't know that it's possible, as your family probably doesn't, you won't think anything of it

Unfortunately, they just thought the laptop is buggy, since it was not obvious that this feature existed. This person is also a lead on a consumer hardware product at the big company, and is aware of general privacy shutter features etc. In this case, the issue was just that it was not obvious that there was a privacy shutter on the laptop.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 review: a DIY dream come true

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As a counterpoint, I love that they're subtle. I don't want big things glaring out at me. (But when they're disabled, there is an orange section. If you don't know that it's possible, as your family probably doesn't, you won't think anything of it, but it's easy to see at a glance the status.)

Orange for "warning, you're safe" instead of "warning, you're on camera"? I've had mine for over 2 years and 2 mbs and never really noticed. I never use the webcam. I agree though, I would rather it be invisible unless I look specifically. Just the meaning when I DO look should be obvious, and orange for inactive is not obvious or natural to me except in maybe parachutes.

I think consistency is important between vendors. It would be annoying if one vendor chose orange to mean that you're on camera, and another vendor would show orange to mean that you are off camera.

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I'm happy to answer questions that folks have around this product.

Hi. I have an m1 mac but always missed linux since I got it. Here are my questions if you can take a minute: How stable is the Linux laptop and what distros are officially supported? What would be the best possible battery life I can get out of that 13 inch Ryzen version that was recently released?

They're using Intel radios, which is good. Intel and AMD are both good on CPU and GPU, the screen resolution is icky if you want to run X11, so you'll want wayland, and that is a can of worms. I'd say my KDE experience is great, but others complain more.

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Macbooks have great speakers, wondering if that's what he meant

Possibly, but literally no other laptops sound anywhere near as good as Macbooks.[0] Apple has done some real magic in the laptop speaker space, and they've kept their secrets to themselves. Shame I always wear headphones. [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkYB931iUjc

Doesn't matter to me if Apple did laptop speaker magic, I want my next laptop to be comparable. ThinkPad X1 Carbon 7th gen (and newer), ThinkPad Z16 have good speakers for example so this is definitely doable, just enough people have to want it to happen.

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The Verge has to have some of the worst reviews on the entire internet. All they ever talk about is subjective stuff like how the product "Looks" and "Feels" and are seemingly incapable of doing any actual work to provide things like benchmarks, comparisons, charts, graphs, etc. Just more of the same low effort, low quality garbage reporting as usual from the Verge. Like how do you do an entire review and not have a…

I like knowing how something feels, there's a reason people buy more expensive laptops without better performance. There are other reviewers who can provide this information. Since it's subjective I'm happy to hear as many voices as possible.

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Hi. I have an m1 mac but always missed linux since I got it. Here are my questions if you can take a minute: How stable is the Linux laptop and what distros are officially supported? What would be the best possible battery life I can get out of that 13 inch Ryzen version that was recently released?

Have you looked into Asahi Linux?

Yes, but it's still miles away from being complete and I'm not sure if it will land in the next year

Re: Framework Laptop 13 review: a DIY dream come true

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I'm happy to answer questions that folks have around this product.

Hi. I have an m1 mac but always missed linux since I got it. Here are my questions if you can take a minute: How stable is the Linux laptop and what distros are officially supported? What would be the best possible battery life I can get out of that 13 inch Ryzen version that was recently released?

They officially support these Linux https://frame.work/linux and I've been using it for 1.5 years - it's super stable.

I get pretty great battery life on my 11th gen Intel Framework under Fedora, and it's apparently way better on the 13th gen. Also stoked for the Ryzen version later this year.

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