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The Web I Want (2018)

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Re: The Web I Want (2018)

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Post by enos_feedler »

paxys wrote: post #29
enos_feedler wrote: post #14

I’m not sure why that commenter who observed these claims get surfaced all the time yet nothing has changed, got flagged/downvoted. I was about to say the same thing. I’ll add a genuine question here in hopes to spur some discussion: It is clear the web is turning into trash or is already there, depending on your view. What genuine efforts have been made to rebuild the web without starting on the web/browser? We coul…

> It is clear the web is turning into trash or is already there Back in the "good old days" people keep mentioning there were maybe some single digit million people online. Today there are ~5 billion. So by what measure are things clearly worse? And for whom?

For me its just anecdotal. the metric is "# of times i laugh out loud when a mobile browser pops up to show me a link and its just rendered jump and popups and things I can generally not interact with"

Re: The Web I Want (2018)

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Post by thunderbong »

TacticalCoder wrote: post #30

I have no solution for the web turning to complete shit but I do have a solution for the "laptop on fire" / fans going crazy and my solution even helps the planet a tiny little bit. I do simply throttle my entire CPU when I'm on a virtual dekstop / workspace where there's a "surf the Web" browser opened (as opposed to, say, a workspace where I have a browser I use to test stuff in dev). It's all automated from my win…

This is very interesting. Can you elaborate on this a bit more? I'm assuming this is Linux? How could this be achieved? Are there done special scripts or programs?

Re: The Web I Want (2018)

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Post by zh3 »

thunderbong wrote: post #62
TacticalCoder wrote: post #30

I have no solution for the web turning to complete shit but I do have a solution for the "laptop on fire" / fans going crazy and my solution even helps the planet a tiny little bit. I do simply throttle my entire CPU when I'm on a virtual dekstop / workspace where there's a "surf the Web" browser opened (as opposed to, say, a workspace where I have a browser I use to test stuff in dev). It's all automated from my win…

This is very interesting. Can you elaborate on this a bit more? I'm assuming this is Linux? How could this be achieved? Are there done special scripts or programs?

Just write the desired governor to /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu${X}/cpufreq/scaling_governor, e.g. powersave, performance etc. Poke about in there to see what governors are available, and do it in a loop to set all cores (you can get the number from /proc/cpuinfo).

Re: The Web I Want (2018)

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Post by hammyhavoc »

TacticalCoder wrote: post #30

I have no solution for the web turning to complete shit but I do have a solution for the "laptop on fire" / fans going crazy and my solution even helps the planet a tiny little bit. I do simply throttle my entire CPU when I'm on a virtual dekstop / workspace where there's a "surf the Web" browser opened (as opposed to, say, a workspace where I have a browser I use to test stuff in dev). It's all automated from my win…

This should be standard on every OS. What a beautiful use of workspaces.

Re: The Web I Want (2018)

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Post by quii »

penteract wrote: post #24

Given the subject, it seems ironic that the page is loading htmx.min.js (40kB/15kB transferred). Can anyone tell if it's doing anything whatsoever on this page? I suspect it wasn't there at the time this was published but the author later added it to all pages on their site.

OP here! The hx-boost hijacks links to make it feel like an SPA. I added it for fun NGL, removed it now though :)

Re: The Web I Want (2018)

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Post by quii »

triyambakam wrote: post #22

This blog post itself nearly practices what it preaches. But I don't see why it even needs htmx.js since it's entirely a static site, as far as I can tell.

OP here! The hx-boost hijacks links to make it feel like an SPA. I added it for fun NGL, removed it now though :)

Re: The Web I Want (2018)

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Post by ktosobcy »

paxys wrote: post #47
overgard wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know, when I think about the majority of the sites I visit daily, it's pretty much just content. Like, let's see: - Stack Overflow - Hacker News - Reddit - Youtube - Various news blogs - Gmail - Shopping/Amazon - Maps With the exception of maps, pretty much all of that would be perfectly fine server side rendered (and a lot is, I think). Even gmail would be fine that way, tbh I find it kind of annoying that t…

None of these sites on your list would be operable without JavaScript, even with reduced functionality. Heck Hacker News, probably the gold standard for simple websites, would itself be unusable. You wouldn't even be able to get the upvote/downvote buttons to work.

It wasn't sait _without_ but with _reduced_ JS.

JS is fine for dynamic contents (likes, upvotes) but the rest of the page can be completely static...

Do you really need to see likes being updated in realtime? Or infinite scrolling (instead of sane pagination)?

Re: The Web I Want (2018)

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Post by triyambakam »

quii wrote: post #66
triyambakam wrote: post #22

This blog post itself nearly practices what it preaches. But I don't see why it even needs htmx.js since it's entirely a static site, as far as I can tell.

OP here! The hx-boost hijacks links to make it feel like an SPA. I added it for fun NGL, removed it now though :)

Aha well that's interesting, I didn't know about that feature.

Re: The Web I Want (2018)

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Post by quii »

erulabs wrote: post #13

The web I want has fun, interesting, healthy applications that make the world a better place to live in. Who cares what technology is used to build it. That’s an implementation detail for us builders. Pragmatism > Idealism

Well, the point I'm making is the technology choices we make, have an impact on the experience of the user, literally the 2nd paragraph.

Re: The Web I Want (2018)

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Post by TachyonicBytes »

gregw134 wrote: post #35
naet wrote: post #18

I think this is a fine ideal for some websites but not a universal truth. For example I love the plaintextsports.com website and check it near daily on my phone, and it does a perfect job. And of course I agree that there is a lot of bloat especially around marketing / tracking snippets that slow things down and don't provide the end users with any upside. But there are also plenty of times when I don't want the mini…

Agreed. Sorry for piggybacking off your post, but I'm trying to build a search engine, and one thing I want to surface are interactive websites. Does anyone have suggestions for Javascript features I could extract that might indicate a site is doing something cool/interactive? I'm not a frontend developer--keywords I have now are .wasm, webhooks, WebGL, canvas.

Maybe add WebSockets and WebWorkers?
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