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Re: This time, it feels different

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Post by lapcat »

bshimmin wrote: post #41
jprete wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple was absolutely an industry leader before the 2000s. Which leaders exactly have been knocked off their perches?

Yahoo ("once the most popular web site in the U.S.", according to Wikipedia)?

Yahoo was more of a slow decline, and missed opportunities. They could have actually acquired Google and/or Facebook at one point, and could have been acquired by Microsoft at a later point.

The comment talks about "quickly changes the world around us rather fundamentally", "knocked off their perch", and "within a few years", which doesn't seem like an accurate description of what happened with Yahoo.

Re: This time, it feels different

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Post by snowwrestler »

> To those who believe that new jobs will emerge at meaningful rates to absorb the losses and shocks, what exactly are those new jobs?

This is a pretty disingenuous question to ask, as the whole point of an innovation-driven market economy is that one cannot predict the future.

It’s a question that we know for a fact no one can answer in general, so why should we consider it any kind of useful criticism of AI specifically?

Re: This time, it feels different

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Post by ChatGTP »

ctrl-vvvvvvvvv wrote: post #29

Geez another article on the AI Spookiness? How many is that this month now? Most of these articles border on science fiction and involve a lot of projection. While I am concerned in some ways with AI, particularly in mass surveillance and public manipulation via bots, what else can we do other than be reactive to _real_ AI applications when _deployed_? Then we start to discuss proper policy towards AI. Until we see s…

I hate to say it, but I didn't see much science fiction in there?

Re: This time, it feels different

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Post by cubefox »

300bps wrote: post #34

imagine what better, faster, more “intelligent” systems to follow in the wake of what exists today would be capable of doing Is this a given? Sure it will continue to improve but by how much? 200% or 2%? That’s the question. Anyone could’ve measured my height when I was 14 and predicted that I would be 35 feet tall today. But human bodies have limits. What are the limits of LLMs? It’s somewhere between ChatGPT-4 and…

We are talking about AI here. LLMs are obviously just an intermediate technology. For example, the next "big" model, Google's Gemini, will be multimodal, it will be able to handle other data types besides text. The next step is probably robotics.

Re: This time, it feels different

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Post by blibble »

paulryanrogers wrote: post #54
rolisz wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can use ChatGPT without feeding a clients personal data to it. You can ask hypothetical questions about a certain situation. Like in coding, you don't have to copy paste in source code be able to get some useful feedback on how to proceed.

This requires care as it may only require a few details or other metadata like when/where one asked to narrow down who they're talking about. Considering ChatGPT leaks and hallucinations I would hope folks in law and medicine are being very careful.

the firm's compliance officers will be demanding that the services are completely blocked and that any use whatsoever is a disciplinary offence

(in their view: removing the risk almost entirely)

Re: This time, it feels different

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Post by Mezzie »

root_axis wrote: post #45
analognoise wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also the wealth of the average worker has been stagnant since the 70's - computers, the internet, etc came and brought tons of wealth, and didn't raise the standard of living. I've never thought about computers that way - they got here, and didn't make everyone's lives better - they just accelerated wealth concentration in the top 1%.

> computers, the internet, etc came and brought tons of wealth, and didn't raise the standard of living Huh?? What world are you living in where the standard of living hasn't increased in the last 50 years?

I'd say that would depend on one's point of view in a couple of key respects:

- Are we just discussing the first-world middle class? Obviously if we extend our scope to all of humanity there have been remarkable jumps in standards of living.

- Does the idea of 'standard of living' include only access to goods, services, and information or also intangibles like access to safety and (more pertinently to this particular discussion) security? As a 34 year old American, I feel that my material standard of living is much better than it was in 1992, but my sense of security in said standard of living has taken a nosedive.

Re: This time, it feels different

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Post by robertlagrant »

blowski wrote: post #4

Every few years a new technology goes mainstream and quickly changes the world around us rather fundamentally. I’ve lived through the web in 1995. Google in 2000. Web 2.0 in 2005. Smartphones in 2009. Now it’s generative AI in 2023. Every time, there’s an argument about whether it’s the end of the world or a total nothingburger. Every time, industry leaders are knocked off their perch. Every time, there are surprise…

Don't forget when we all switched to defi in 2018!

Re: This time, it feels different

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Post by terminalcommand »

blibble wrote: post #39

> I have come across people who do programming, legal work, business, accountancy and finance, fashion design, architecture, graphic design, research, teaching, cooking, travel planning, event management etc., all of whom have started using the same tool, ChatGPT if I found out my lawyer/account/tax advisor/broker had fed my privileged information into ChatGPT I'd be reporting them to their regulator and they'd be st…

I work at big law. Law firms plan to purchase specialized closed LLMs. OpenAI's Harvey exactly aims this.
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