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Re: Cantonese Font with Pronunciation

#61
Wouldn't this be better handled as a font rendering engine feature so that it wouldn't be tied to a specific font and users would be able to configure which language to display the pronunciations in?

Good stopgap though. Do they have plans to do the same for other languages?

Re: Cantonese Font with Pronunciation

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As many have pointed here Mandarin, Thai, Cantonese and Vietnam are tonal languages and the meaning of words are depending on how you speak the syllables inside the words. Mandarin has four, Thai has five, Cantonese has six and Vitnamese has six tones. Overall about 20% or 1.5 billion of the world's population converse daily in tonal languages. It will be very helpful if someone come up with automatic tonal detection…

Japanese has two tones, which is something I didn't know until recently.

Re: Cantonese Font with Pronunciation

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As many have pointed here Mandarin, Thai, Cantonese and Vietnam are tonal languages and the meaning of words are depending on how you speak the syllables inside the words. Mandarin has four, Thai has five, Cantonese has six and Vitnamese has six tones. Overall about 20% or 1.5 billion of the world's population converse daily in tonal languages. It will be very helpful if someone come up with automatic tonal detection…

Hong Kong Cantonese has six tones. I knew it was different for Guangzhou Cantonese, but I wasn't sure exactly how many, so here's what Wikipedia says: > In finals that end in a stop consonant, the number of tones is reduced to three; in Chinese descriptions, these "checked tones" are treated separately by diachronic convention, so that Cantonese is traditionally said to have nine tones. However, phonetically these ar…

Yeah, the seventh tone in Guangzhou Cantonese that’s gone in Hong Kong Cantonese is the high-falling tone.

In Guangzhou Cantonese, 衫 (shirt) and 三 (three) are not homophones, but they are in Hong Kong Cantonese. The Jyutping romanization (from the Linguistic Society of Hong Kong) reflects this change in HK Cantonese (saam1), whereas Yale, based on the older pronunciation, could represent the difference in tone (sāam vs sàam).

Interestingly enough, the high-falling tone is still retained in Hong Kong Cantonese for one exceedingly common word, the final particle 㖭 (tim1/tìm)!

Re: Cantonese Font with Pronunciation

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post #62

As many have pointed here Mandarin, Thai, Cantonese and Vietnam are tonal languages and the meaning of words are depending on how you speak the syllables inside the words. Mandarin has four, Thai has five, Cantonese has six and Vitnamese has six tones. Overall about 20% or 1.5 billion of the world's population converse daily in tonal languages. It will be very helpful if someone come up with automatic tonal detection…

Japanese has two tones, which is something I didn't know until recently.

This is not true in a strict sense; Standard Japanese has a pitch accent that has a "culminative" pitch countour over a word. Culminativity means that there is a single point of prominence at maximum. In Japanese, this gets realised as a drop in the pitch. (In variants of Japanese, there are more elaborare systems.)

Tone systems are different in the sense that each syllable has it's own countour. (Of course, when realized, these get merged according to various phonological processes) Japanese differs from tone systems in that it has only one culminative pitch contour over multi-syllable words.

(Disclosure: I am an expert in Japanese phonology, especially in pitch accent.)

Re: Cantonese Font with Pronunciation

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post #62

As many have pointed here Mandarin, Thai, Cantonese and Vietnam are tonal languages and the meaning of words are depending on how you speak the syllables inside the words. Mandarin has four, Thai has five, Cantonese has six and Vitnamese has six tones. Overall about 20% or 1.5 billion of the world's population converse daily in tonal languages. It will be very helpful if someone come up with automatic tonal detection…

Japanese has two tones, which is something I didn't know until recently.

In the same way that Swedish has two tones. Bitonal systems aren't quite as difficult as language like monosyllabic polytonal languages like Mandarin or Cantonese though. There are a handful of words in Japanese which are differentiated in pronunciation only by tone, but these are relatively rare. If you screw up the tone in Japanese it will sound like a bad foreign accent but you will likely still be understood. Just about every word in Mandarin on the other hand has one or more conjugate tone pairings, and if you screw up the tone you're speaking nonsense.

(Source: 10 years learning Japanese, followed by marrying someone from Taiwan.)

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No, it's different between Chinese and Thai. Lexing is very clear in Chinese. It's never the case that you look at a Chinese sentence and don't know where a character ends and another begins. Take this sentence in both languages: "good morning, how are you" 早安,你好吗 This sentence clearly has "spaces" and I'm pretty sure any person illiterate in Chinese could tell you there are 5 characters / words. Technically the thir…

早安 is made up of 2 characters but is a single word. If you fall into the trap of thinking 1 character = 1 word, you won't understand a thing. In this case you'd have thought it meant "early safe" instead of "good morning".

Chinese has pretty regular rules about grouping characters into words though, as most compounds are 2-characters, or a 4-character idiomatic phrase. Even if I know only half the characters in a sentence, I can usually guess the word boundaries correctly. It's not 100% reliable, but good enough to avoid confusion.

Re: Cantonese Font with Pronunciation

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I really like this idea, though I haven't tried it yet. Spotify has lyrics for many songs, but for characters the first hurdle is you cannot really sing along even with the lyrics unless you know them.

Is there some easy way one change the font used by Spotify to be this font somehow?

Re: Cantonese Font with Pronunciation

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I honestly wonder how good of a job one could do with Chinese at making a font that just translated each character into English?

Especially given modern font ligatures letting you change the meanings displayed based on context (the way things like Fira code do).

Maybe don't even show the Chinese characters, just their meaning in English? It's obviously not going to be perfect, but I think there's potential there for a fun project.

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