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Re: Sailing boat rescued by the Götheborg

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Post by _yb2s »

sandworm101 wrote: post #56

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6theborg_(ship) Fysa, they almost certainly completed the rescue using their twin 500hp diesels rather than sail power. One sailboat towing another creates a host of sail/wind/wave issues. Almost every large sailing vessel, including historic replicas, has diesel engines for those times that sail is just too awkward.

I've towed under sail and it works fine if done properly... certainly it can be challenging and requires an experienced person at the helm of each boat, especially if going downwind or upwind.

In this case I am sure you are right, and the size difference would make towing under sail dangerous. A sudden gust enough to accelerate the larger boat to above the smaller boats hull speed could pull the smaller boat underwater quickly.

Re: Sailing boat rescued by the Götheborg

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Post by sandworm101 »

ff_ wrote: post #49
FartyMcFarter wrote: post #33

I know nothing about sailing so this is probably wrong, but I was slightly surprised at the fact that the people on board the small boat didn't get rescued onto the Götheborg. Given the concerns in the article about the size difference possibly causing problems, wouldn't that have been safer?

Sailor here - an 8 meters boat is in that awkward spot where it's big/heavy enough that it can do damage if incontrollably drifting against something (e.g. the wooden vessel itself) but light enough that you can literally just push it with the strength of two people if that happens. So I'd argue it's more safe to have some crew on it in case you need to be hands-on, and just talk over radio while being towed.

Do not attempt to push an 8-meter vessel by hand while at sea. Even a smallish 1-foot wave, when pushing against an 8-meter hull, can generate thousands of pound of force.

Re: Sailing boat rescued by the Götheborg

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Post by sandworm101 »

_yb2s wrote: post #61
sandworm101 wrote: post #56

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6theborg_(ship) Fysa, they almost certainly completed the rescue using their twin 500hp diesels rather than sail power. One sailboat towing another creates a host of sail/wind/wave issues. Almost every large sailing vessel, including historic replicas, has diesel engines for those times that sail is just too awkward.

I've towed under sail and it works fine if done properly... certainly it can be challenging and requires an experienced person at the helm of each boat, especially if going downwind or upwind. In this case I am sure you are right, and the size difference would make towing under sail dangerous. A sudden gust enough to accelerate the larger boat to above the smaller boats hull speed could pull the smaller boat underwat…

But in this case only one boat has a helm, the towed craft having lost its rudder.

Most dangerous IMHO is a wave that slows the large round hull but will not slow the smaller wave-piercing hull, sending it slamming into the stern.

Re: Sailing boat rescued by the Götheborg

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Post by Sharlin »

smcl wrote: post #45
checkyoursudo wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In Swedish, the v and the w only became distinct pretty recently. There are still people alive today who don't know which to pick if they don't already know how a v-sounding word is spelled. Also, the same person might say "Vilma" one day and "Wilma" the next, just as an example of the confusion (and Wilma is their own daughter...) Also, also, I have had older Swedes be completely unable to hear a difference between…

I also encountered this with German folk speaking English and pronouncing "v" as "w" - "Let's meet up in the willage" If they'd pronounced it "Let's meet up in the fillage" that would make sense as they'd be using the German pronunciation of "v", but I couldn't wrap my head around "willage".

Can also be a case of hypercorrection.

Re: Sailing boat rescued by the Götheborg

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Post by doikor »

pavlov wrote: post #31
acadapter wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

V and W were considered two graphic variants of the same letter until about two decades ago. The W sound was lost centuries ago but reintroduced with English words.

Yes. In Finnish and Swedish, the letters V and W traditionally collated together. In other words, this is a correctly alphabetically ordered list: Wasa Virtanen Wiva Viwe The rule was apparently changed in 2006 in Sweden though (with Finland presumably tagging along). There’s probably still plenty of SQL installations around using the old collation rules because tables were created before the 2006 change reached data…

It kinda depends. In a list of names, dictionaries, etc V and W would be separately. This is to make finding the word you are looking for easier.

Also in Finnish ÅÄÖ are the end of alphabet.

Also Ü and Ű would should be grouped with Y. Õ and Ő with Ö.

Re: Sailing boat rescued by the Götheborg

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Post by jiggywiggy »

Just imagine in the 1500's deciding to set sail to Asia. Hardly having a map. No communication means, food that's not easy to store, nothing more then a compass and if lucky a shitty map. If things go wrong no one is coming to help. Wild times.

Was actually the reason they founded the Amsterdam stock market to spread & share the risk of the ships not returning.

I know many bad things happen at well, but it's still a very interesting perspective.

Re: Sailing boat rescued by the Götheborg

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Post by jimmySixDOF »

ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #58
checkyoursudo wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In Swedish, the v and the w only became distinct pretty recently. There are still people alive today who don't know which to pick if they don't already know how a v-sounding word is spelled. Also, the same person might say "Vilma" one day and "Wilma" the next, just as an example of the confusion (and Wilma is their own daughter...) Also, also, I have had older Swedes be completely unable to hear a difference between…

In Japan, "L" and "R" are often interchangeable. Their pronunciation is somewhere between. That's a cool story.

In Arabic the hard "P" is often swapped with "B" and it's also the case that real pronunciation is somewhere between.

Re: Sailing boat rescued by the Götheborg

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Post by pjmlp »

bratwurst3000 wrote: post #19
prmoustache wrote: post #12

So they have sails on the Götheborg, but aren't actually using them? Basically it is a motorized indiaman. Meh.

It was on the Mediterranean Sea. I am also a sailor and can testify that the Mediterranean Sea is the hardest to sail because of often changing wind direction. I assume that’s why the didn’t use sails while rescuing. I wouldn’t either.

That is why lateen sails came to be.

However they surely had their reasons for not using sails.

Re: Sailing boat rescued by the Götheborg

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Post by Gwypaas »

sandworm101 wrote: post #63
_yb2s wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've towed under sail and it works fine if done properly... certainly it can be challenging and requires an experienced person at the helm of each boat, especially if going downwind or upwind. In this case I am sure you are right, and the size difference would make towing under sail dangerous. A sudden gust enough to accelerate the larger boat to above the smaller boats hull speed could pull the smaller boat underwat…

But in this case only one boat has a helm, the towed craft having lost its rudder. Most dangerous IMHO is a wave that slows the large round hull but will not slow the smaller wave-piercing hull, sending it slamming into the stern.

You would never tow so close that it would become a risk unless manouverering the disabled vessel in close quarters, and then it usually is preferable to tie the vessels alongside each other.

You can see the distances they chose in this particular case in the third image from their Instagram post.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CryES46tgWl/?igshid=NTc4MTIwNjQ2...

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