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U.S. Could Run Out of Cash by June 1, Yellen Warns

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Re: U.S. Could Run Out of Cash by June 1, Yellen Warns

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

HDThoreaun wrote: post #60
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> President writes the budget The President proposed budgets. The House and the Congress have the power of the purse.

The president is part of the legislative branch because they have veto power. It's really not as simple as "the president writes the budget" or "congress writes the budget". The entire legislative branch writes it together.

> president is part of the legislative branch because they have veto power

Veto is a check on the legislature by the President. It does not make the President part of the legislature anymore than it makes every district court judge. (The Vice President has a hybrid role.)

Congress can pass a budget with zero executive input by overriding the veto. One can correctly say the President is part of the legislative process. But not the branch.

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Post by HDThoreaun »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #61
HDThoreaun wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The president is part of the legislative branch because they have veto power. It's really not as simple as "the president writes the budget" or "congress writes the budget". The entire legislative branch writes it together.

> president is part of the legislative branch because they have veto power Veto is a check on the legislature by the President. It does not make the President part of the legislature anymore than it makes every district court judge. (The Vice President has a hybrid role.) Congress can pass a budget with zero executive input by overriding the veto. One can correctly say the President is part of the legislative process…

You're getting into semantics and I disagree with your definition of legislative branch. I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. If you are a part of the lawmaking process you're in the legislative branch as far as I'm concerned.

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Post by astrange »

HDThoreaun wrote: post #60
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> President writes the budget The President proposed budgets. The House and the Congress have the power of the purse.

The president is part of the legislative branch because they have veto power. It's really not as simple as "the president writes the budget" or "congress writes the budget". The entire legislative branch writes it together.

That's because he's a "check and balance" on the legislative branch, not part of it. Congress "checks" the other branches by approving nominees and controlling their budgets.

And then effectively nobody checks SCOTUS, which is kind of a problem.

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

HDThoreaun wrote: post #62
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> president is part of the legislative branch because they have veto power Veto is a check on the legislature by the President. It does not make the President part of the legislature anymore than it makes every district court judge. (The Vice President has a hybrid role.) Congress can pass a budget with zero executive input by overriding the veto. One can correctly say the President is part of the legislative process…

You're getting into semantics and I disagree with your definition of legislative branch. I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. If you are a part of the lawmaking process you're in the legislative branch as far as I'm concerned.

Well, you know, your definition of the legislative branch is the non-standard one. It's like you looked at rain, and said "that's mud", and someone said, "that's not mud, it's rain, because mud has dirt in it", and you said, "there's some dirt in rain, too; I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree". No, it's not "agree to disagree"; they're right in their definition, and you're wrong.

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#65

Post by HDThoreaun »

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #64
HDThoreaun wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're getting into semantics and I disagree with your definition of legislative branch. I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. If you are a part of the lawmaking process you're in the legislative branch as far as I'm concerned.

Well, you know, your definition of the legislative branch is the non-standard one. It's like you looked at rain, and said "that's mud", and someone said, "that's not mud, it's rain, because mud has dirt in it", and you said, "there's some dirt in rain, too; I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree". No, it's not "agree to disagree"; they're right in their definition, and you're wrong.

Tanks for the laugh, but the accepted definition of legislative branch is "branch of government that makes laws" and the president is very much in the part of the government that makes laws, considering the difficulty in passing them without their approval.

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

HDThoreaun wrote: post #65
AnimalMuppet wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, you know, your definition of the legislative branch is the non-standard one. It's like you looked at rain, and said "that's mud", and someone said, "that's not mud, it's rain, because mud has dirt in it", and you said, "there's some dirt in rain, too; I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree". No, it's not "agree to disagree"; they're right in their definition, and you're wrong.

Tanks for the laugh, but the accepted definition of legislative branch is "branch of government that makes laws" and the president is very much in the part of the government that makes laws, considering the difficulty in passing them without their approval.

No, as others have already explained to you, the president is not part of the branch of government that makes laws. He is (often) part of the process, but he's not part of the branch - not as those words are normally used.

You can go with your own personal interpretation of the definition, or you can talk with the rest of the planet. Your choice.

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Post by HDThoreaun »

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #66
HDThoreaun wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tanks for the laugh, but the accepted definition of legislative branch is "branch of government that makes laws" and the president is very much in the part of the government that makes laws, considering the difficulty in passing them without their approval.

No, as others have already explained to you, the president is not part of the branch of government that makes laws. He is (often) part of the process, but he's not part of the branch - not as those words are normally used. You can go with your own personal interpretation of the definition, or you can talk with the rest of the planet. Your choice.

You basically can’t make a law without the president. I can’t see how you can claim they’re not part of the law making process. Two thirds of both houses means the president absolutely is a a part of the branch of government that makes laws.

Re: U.S. Could Run Out of Cash by June 1, Yellen Warns

#68

Post by jesushax »

ProjectArcturis wrote: post #21
Georgelemental wrote: post #15

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What is the desired end game supposed to be, of successive "clean" debt ceiling hikes? How much longer should we be spending money we don't have—enough to make inflation even worse? Enough that nobody will lend to us anymore and default is forced? What's the plan here?

Our debt will continue to grow exponentially, along with our overall economy and population size. That's the plan.

Your population size is not growing anywhere near exponentially: https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=us+popula...
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